5mph limits? who's road is it anyway?
5mph limits? who's road is it anyway?
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hertsbiker

Original Poster:

6,443 posts

291 months

Monday 27th January 2003
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We have to establish a sense of shared ownership of most of our road system, and the report goes a long way towards doing that. We should give local authorities the opportunity of creating not only 20 mph zones but 5 mph zones in places where children play.


That's from a government document. Do we really think children "own" the road? why do the people who pay for it (us) have so little say on the subject?
C

TheLemming

4,319 posts

285 months

Monday 27th January 2003
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We have to establish a sense of shared ownership of most of our road system, and the report goes a long way towards doing that. We should give local authorities the opportunity of creating not only 20 mph zones but 5 mph zones in places where children play.


That's from a government document. Do we really think children "own" the road? why do the people who pay for it (us) have so little say on the subject?
C


Has anyone actually TRIED driving at 5mph?

Its not far off a fast walking pace for gods sakes.

The roads are for driving on, they arent playgrounds!

Everyone played games in the road when they were kids im sure, however cul-de-sacs only otherwise it wasnt possible.

What has right of way? A Car. Not a child. Play in a park, or a garden, or anywhere other than the middle of the road, its just not fundamentally safe.

pdv6

16,442 posts

281 months

Monday 27th January 2003
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More to the point, does anyone have a speedo that actually registers 5mph?

Add one scamera and... ker'ching!

{Edited to add:} Bring back the Green Cross Code videos!

>> Edited by pdv6 on Monday 27th January 12:25

poidal

61 posts

282 months

Monday 27th January 2003
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Plenty of places e.g. library car park, sports centre, already have 5mph signs, and they have a red circle around the 5. Does that make the speed limit enforceable? SP05 offence?

pdv6

16,442 posts

281 months

Monday 27th January 2003
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Not if they're not on the public highway, it doesn't

hertsbiker

Original Poster:

6,443 posts

291 months

Monday 27th January 2003
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tickover is about 7mph on my car. Not slipping the clutch for a mile for anyone!

IIRC, below 20mph is not yet "approved" by the gatso manufacturers???

C

poidal

61 posts

282 months

Monday 27th January 2003
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But didn't they change the law some years ago, so any place where the public have access is classed as "on or near a road" thereby making lots of traffic law enforceable, even on private land?

pdv6

16,442 posts

281 months

Monday 27th January 2003
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I hope they clearly defined the meaning of 'near'...

Byff

4,427 posts

281 months

Monday 27th January 2003
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Next they'll be saying that trains can't go over 30mph and must have absorbing fronts for fear of some children playing on the line.

I work on the railway and believe it or not - train drivers are being done for speeding with hand held radar guns.

s2ooz

3,005 posts

304 months

Monday 27th January 2003
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parents and kids are scared stiff of bieng run over by you dangerous speeders, its too much for kids to know when its safe to cross. I suggest we have a scheme where a man walks in front of our cars with a big red flag, thus warning others of the impending danger of the arrogant motorist following him. I heard this was adopted by our wonderful goverment some years ago. I have searched the 'net and there isnt a SINGLE recorded fatality when this was in force. so it must be safe. I did hear horses were puzzled tho.

pdv6

16,442 posts

281 months

Monday 27th January 2003
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s2ooz

james_j

3,996 posts

275 months

Monday 27th January 2003
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I think there should be negative speed limits in certain areas.

Everyone should proceed in reverse.

P*Ting

5,618 posts

278 months

Tuesday 28th January 2003
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I can see this 5mph thing catching on.

For one thing most cars simply cannot drive below 5mph, so it's guaranteed revenue.

Secondly, it becomes faster to walk than drive, hence getting people out of the car - which we all know is a great thing .

Thirdly, it means even when you absolutely must drive all you are doing is taking a very comprehensive umbrella with you. There is no advantage to owning a car.

SP05 - the way of the future...

JonGwynne

270 posts

285 months

Tuesday 28th January 2003
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We have to establish a sense of shared ownership of most of our road system, and the report goes a long way towards doing that. We should give local authorities the opportunity of creating not only 20 mph zones but 5 mph zones in places where children play.


That's from a government document. Do we really think children "own" the road? why do the people who pay for it (us) have so little say on the subject?
C


Sounds like something a government weasel would write. A sense of "shared ownership"? Rubbish. The roads are owned by the taxpaying public. There is no cause or need to share them with anyone. Certainly not government weasels who spend their days thinking up ways to tell us how to live our lives and then take our money to help them do it.

icamm

2,153 posts

280 months

Tuesday 28th January 2003
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The Bd has obviously never ridden a motorbike otherwise he woould never have been so stupid as to make this comment about 5mph. Even a Harley D struggles to go this slowly

twin40s

154 posts

275 months

Tuesday 28th January 2003
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Surely at 5mph they could hand out speeding tickets to joggers too...

Lots of new revenue there!

james_j

3,996 posts

275 months

Thursday 30th January 2003
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Motorists don't just own the roads, having paid for them once. They have paid for them many times over (and over and over). Less than 6% of revenue from the motorist goes on the roads, the rest is used to prop the country up.

"Shared ownership"...nanny state weasel with a chip on his shoulder.

ultimasimon

9,646 posts

278 months

Thursday 30th January 2003
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pdv6 said: Bring back the Green Cross Code videos!


Just remember children...I won't be there when you cross the road !

The Green Cross man - Class!

Chesta

256 posts

278 months

Thursday 30th January 2003
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"I suggest we have a scheme where a man walks in front of our cars with a big red flag, thus warning others of the impending danger of the arrogant motorist following him."

Sounds like a job for assylum seekers & burglars to me!