Speeding - Do U think U are doing anything wrong??
Discussion
Just thought I'd run a quick pole here....
Speeding... we all do it, some more than others. I like to think most PHers are pretty sensible around areas where there might be kids etc. But....
When you are doing 85ish on the motorway, do you feel what you are doing is dangerous/wrong.
Discuss.....
Speeding... we all do it, some more than others. I like to think most PHers are pretty sensible around areas where there might be kids etc. But....
When you are doing 85ish on the motorway, do you feel what you are doing is dangerous/wrong.
Discuss.....
Just thought I'd run a quick pole here....
Speeding... we all do it, some more than others. I like to think most PHers are pretty sensible around areas where there might be kids etc. But....
When you are doing 85ish on the motorway, do you feel what you are doing is dangerous/wrong.
Discuss.....
Perhaps this could be easily answered by saying - Is it absolutely necessary to go over the posted limits OR are we just being very silly. After all isn't it true to say that if you travel at 40 in a 30 you will only reach your destination a few minutes quicker. What a waste.
Lucozade - the question was specifically about 85 in a 70 ie on a road where we want to make progress. I think everybody would agree there is very little time to be made up where appropriate 30 limits apply and safety must overrule other considerations.
I feel happy, safe and comfortable at 85 in the right conditions on a motorway. Faster on occasion.
If I sit at 70 I find I'm lane hopping too much and spending too much time alongside trucks and coaches with just a 14mph speed differential. At 85+ my concentration levels are at a peak and I spend most time in lanes 2 and 3 with less lane changing being required and usually with a bigger gap between me and commercials as a result of greater time in lane 3.
Furthermore (Lucozade) cruising at 70 might result in an average speed of, say, 67 while cruising at 85 might result in an average speed of, conservatively, 77. So on a 2 hour business trip I would be 20 miles ahead of myself, if you see what I mean, at the end of the trip and feeling far more relaxed than I would otherwise.
I feel happy, safe and comfortable at 85 in the right conditions on a motorway. Faster on occasion.
If I sit at 70 I find I'm lane hopping too much and spending too much time alongside trucks and coaches with just a 14mph speed differential. At 85+ my concentration levels are at a peak and I spend most time in lanes 2 and 3 with less lane changing being required and usually with a bigger gap between me and commercials as a result of greater time in lane 3.
Furthermore (Lucozade) cruising at 70 might result in an average speed of, say, 67 while cruising at 85 might result in an average speed of, conservatively, 77. So on a 2 hour business trip I would be 20 miles ahead of myself, if you see what I mean, at the end of the trip and feeling far more relaxed than I would otherwise.
LOL i love this argument, its so easy to win.
If doin 30 will only take off a few seconds/minutes from your journey, why dont ya tell the emergency services the same thing?
After all theyre racing around and killing NO ONE.
Just the opposite, theyre saving lives by going faster!
Every minute counts.
As for feeling guilty when out and about speeding..do i eck!
Hell i just set off the camera up the road for a laff after being out.
Wont get a ticket tho, no number plates!lmao.
If doin 30 will only take off a few seconds/minutes from your journey, why dont ya tell the emergency services the same thing?
After all theyre racing around and killing NO ONE.
Just the opposite, theyre saving lives by going faster!
Every minute counts.
As for feeling guilty when out and about speeding..do i eck!
Hell i just set off the camera up the road for a laff after being out.
Wont get a ticket tho, no number plates!lmao.
I speed for fun not to get places quicker. (with the exception of long motorway journeys)
I also choose how fast I go.
I don't much care for limits, they are for other people.
I drive to the conditions and select an appropriate speed. If you don't like my speed then thats just tough. In five years of driving my way I've yet to get any points so I must be lucky or doing something right. (I personally belive I've simply been lucky)
I have had a few minor moments in the car but none serious and curiously enough all below the posted speed limit. Makes me think all this speeding nonsence is just bollocks.
Keep the pedestrians off the damn roads and make the driving test/training better then you'll see some worthwhile improvements.
I HATE cameras as I see them as unfair. Mainly due to the fact that you are guilty until proven innocent.
If I was pulled over by a patrol car and told you're nicked I wouldn't have a problem with it.
But if the car is registered in your name and it gets flashed then you have to own up or face even worse consequences. Thats like someone reporting a robbery and providing a desciption of a local scrote, the police then nick him and say if you don't own up you'll get 2 years it HM pleasure for failure to incriminte yourself. That is not how you run a bloody Justice system.
ahem, sorry about the cameras rant. opps.
But anyway like I said I and I alone decide how fast I go and don't much care for all this speeding propaganda.
Hmm after writing all that I've just read the question properly, Doh!
Nah, 85 on a motorway isn't speeding I think 100 is a perfectly good cruise speed, but then I do live in Scotland where you can still see some clear tarmac from time to time. Like all things it really depends on the conditions. If I got nicked at 85 I'd be a bit miffed unless eveyone else was doing 30 and the speed differential was huge. In the case where police set up video cameras and laser units to catch everyone then thats just pure profiteering/and or petty mindedness. Its what makes people lose confidece in the police.
Andy
>> Edited by andytk on Friday 7th February 13:23
I also choose how fast I go.
I don't much care for limits, they are for other people.
I drive to the conditions and select an appropriate speed. If you don't like my speed then thats just tough. In five years of driving my way I've yet to get any points so I must be lucky or doing something right. (I personally belive I've simply been lucky)
I have had a few minor moments in the car but none serious and curiously enough all below the posted speed limit. Makes me think all this speeding nonsence is just bollocks.
Keep the pedestrians off the damn roads and make the driving test/training better then you'll see some worthwhile improvements.
I HATE cameras as I see them as unfair. Mainly due to the fact that you are guilty until proven innocent.
If I was pulled over by a patrol car and told you're nicked I wouldn't have a problem with it.
But if the car is registered in your name and it gets flashed then you have to own up or face even worse consequences. Thats like someone reporting a robbery and providing a desciption of a local scrote, the police then nick him and say if you don't own up you'll get 2 years it HM pleasure for failure to incriminte yourself. That is not how you run a bloody Justice system.
ahem, sorry about the cameras rant. opps.
But anyway like I said I and I alone decide how fast I go and don't much care for all this speeding propaganda.
Hmm after writing all that I've just read the question properly, Doh!
Nah, 85 on a motorway isn't speeding I think 100 is a perfectly good cruise speed, but then I do live in Scotland where you can still see some clear tarmac from time to time. Like all things it really depends on the conditions. If I got nicked at 85 I'd be a bit miffed unless eveyone else was doing 30 and the speed differential was huge. In the case where police set up video cameras and laser units to catch everyone then thats just pure profiteering/and or petty mindedness. Its what makes people lose confidece in the police.
Andy
>> Edited by andytk on Friday 7th February 13:23
lucozade said:
Perhaps this could be easily answered by saying - Is it absolutely necessary to go over the posted limits OR are we just being very silly. After all isn't it true to say that if you travel at 40 in a 30 you will only reach your destination a few minutes quicker. What a waste.
What a waste of what? Do you truly think most people speed to get to their destinations more quickly? I guess you are the sort of person that regards a car purely as a mode of transport to get from A to B. Believe it or not many people actually enjoy driving, and lots of them enjoy driving the way their cars were designed to be driven, not pottering along on a clear road.
To the OP, I have no qualms about driving at reasonable speeds over the limit if it's safe to do so. I do however feel guilty about some of the stupid things I did when I passed my test many years ago (but I never had an accident).
85 on the motorway dangerous/wrong
Dangerous - No. I only do 85 on the motorway when I think it is safe (pretty much most of the time it is perfectly safe).
Wrong - Yes it is definitely a bit wrong. Not becoz there is an 11th commandment that says "thou shalt not do 85, yea, even upon the M1 at 3 a.m.", but because breaking the law is wrong in itself. If we expect other people to obey the law for our sake, then we have to reciprocate by doing the same.
I don't lose any sleep about the thousands of speeding offences I've commited, but similarly if I get done for speeding, it will be a fair cop.
Dangerous - No. I only do 85 on the motorway when I think it is safe (pretty much most of the time it is perfectly safe).
Wrong - Yes it is definitely a bit wrong. Not becoz there is an 11th commandment that says "thou shalt not do 85, yea, even upon the M1 at 3 a.m.", but because breaking the law is wrong in itself. If we expect other people to obey the law for our sake, then we have to reciprocate by doing the same.
I don't lose any sleep about the thousands of speeding offences I've commited, but similarly if I get done for speeding, it will be a fair cop.
andytk said:
Nah, 85 on a motorway isn't speeding I think 100 is a perfectly good cruise speed
And I've just looked at your profile.
So 100mph is perfectly good cruising in a Skoda Felicia with bald rear tyres?
FFS.
Make sure youy're not behind me, if I brake hard you ain't got a chance....
deltaf said: LOL i love this argument, its so easy to win.
If doin 30 will only take off a few seconds/minutes from your journey, why dont ya tell the emergency services the same thing?
After all theyre racing around and killing NO ONE.
Just the opposite, theyre saving lives by going faster!
Every minute counts.
As
Yes, but they are trained drivers. Many of the folk hooning around in excess oof thespeed limit have no training other than trying to get their international race license on Gran tourismo.
Good points all..
I think what I'm getting at here is that.... taking into consideration road conditions (weather, traffic, location etc) Do you feel as though you are doing something wrong when traveling in excess of the posted limit. For example if you broke into someones house with the intention of pinching the telly, you'd think "Blimey I'm really naughty, pinching these nice peoples telly is wrong, they are going to be really upset when they find their lounge trashed and their privacy invaded making them feel insecure and paranoid" (well I would anyway) but when you are on a clear dry motorway and glance down at the speedo, notice it reads 90 what do you think?????
I think what I'm getting at here is that.... taking into consideration road conditions (weather, traffic, location etc) Do you feel as though you are doing something wrong when traveling in excess of the posted limit. For example if you broke into someones house with the intention of pinching the telly, you'd think "Blimey I'm really naughty, pinching these nice peoples telly is wrong, they are going to be really upset when they find their lounge trashed and their privacy invaded making them feel insecure and paranoid" (well I would anyway) but when you are on a clear dry motorway and glance down at the speedo, notice it reads 90 what do you think?????
Here's another point. Speed cameras have such a bad reputation now that they may interfere with an interesting tool the police have which is just getting ready to come on line: The automatic number plate reader.
The cops are testing a computer that can instantly read the number plates of all cars that pass in front of a camera in the cop's car and then check to see if the car (or its registered owner) is wanted for anything.
As much as I despise speed cameras, I think this is BRILLIANT! In tests in Bristol, a jacked car was recovered in minutes after the crime was reported.
Assuming it works, every cop in the country should have one installed in their car as soon as possible.
However, with the current backlash against speed cameras, many people might simply look on this invaluable tool as coming from the same ignorant and narrow mind as the speed camera.
Also, the money squandered on speed cameras could prevent these readers from being implemented.
We can't afford to allow this to happen.
The cops are testing a computer that can instantly read the number plates of all cars that pass in front of a camera in the cop's car and then check to see if the car (or its registered owner) is wanted for anything.
As much as I despise speed cameras, I think this is BRILLIANT! In tests in Bristol, a jacked car was recovered in minutes after the crime was reported.
Assuming it works, every cop in the country should have one installed in their car as soon as possible.
However, with the current backlash against speed cameras, many people might simply look on this invaluable tool as coming from the same ignorant and narrow mind as the speed camera.
Also, the money squandered on speed cameras could prevent these readers from being implemented.
We can't afford to allow this to happen.
spnracing said:
andytk said:
Nah, 85 on a motorway isn't speeding I think 100 is a perfectly good cruise speed
And I've just looked at your profile.
So 100mph is perfectly good cruising in a Skoda Felicia with bald rear tyres?
FFS.
Make sure youy're not behind me, if I brake hard you ain't got a chance....
I just knew you'd bite.
Anyway who said anything about bald tyres? They were sorted long ago.
I have to admit that 100 is really pusing it in a skoda but not with other cars. And as for being behind you when you brake how dumb do you think I am? (don't answer that
) I know my stopping distances/power and drive accordingly. You seem to be under the impression that just because I drive fast sometimes that I am automatically stupid. I am not.
And another thing I'm not special I just choose the rules I drive by. Everyone speeds and its not the end of the world.
Guys like me do not increase the number of gatsos and cops its the dumb folk in their 4x4 that speed past the local school causing all the thinkofthechildrenistas (copyright CarZee
) to call for massive clampdowns that do no good anyway. And besides Speed enforcment these days is for reveanue generation. Ironically this means more speed cameras and less patrol cars. This means that there is actually less chance of being caught if you know where the cameras are.
So has this made the roads safer? Has it F**k
I just drive the way I drive, so far I've been fine and so has everyone else. I don't think I'm the worlds best driver adn I accept that I can improve. I think this whole speeding thing has been hyped out of all proportion anyway. Its not the biggest problem, bad driving and idiot pedestrians are.
Oh and one last thing. Too many people equate fast driving=crap driving. Thats just not the way I work. I take pride in my driving as I'm sure many here do.
You might not like my style but we'll have to agree jsut to disagree.
Andy
Obviously it depends on how far you are driving. If we change the sentence to driving at 90 in a 70 (as you were obviously trolling for speeders in 30 zones), then personally I find that I have cut some of my journey times significantly (by hours), and also meant that I was more alert for the (shorter) duration of my journey.
lucozade said: After all isn't it true to say that if you travel at 40 in a 30 you will only reach your destination a few minutes quicker. What a waste.
Speeding. It saves life.
90mph on the motorway is fine. Over a 100mph is something I've done OFTEN when the road ahead is clear. I've also sat at 120mph+ on the way back to Portsmouth in the early hours of the morning. I forget what road it is now (after the M25) but it's a dual carriageway which is practically empty.
I wouldnt blat past a stream of much slower moving cars at that speed in case they hadnt seen me.
I wouldnt blat past a stream of much slower moving cars at that speed in case they hadnt seen me.
Concentrating on driving at a specific speed detracts quite significantly from making any concious thought about (for example) how far you will travel before you can stop.
Since there is no defence against speeding, then it ought to be fairly obvious that there is nothing specifically 'wrong' with it, as the actual numbers are arbitarily based on our number system and an out-dated system of measurement.
Sean
Since there is no defence against speeding, then it ought to be fairly obvious that there is nothing specifically 'wrong' with it, as the actual numbers are arbitarily based on our number system and an out-dated system of measurement.
Sean
Dan said: but when you are on a clear dry motorway and glance down at the speedo, notice it reads 90 what do you think?????
I wish I lived in a country where I was allowed to
drive fast.
Taking the Jag in for a service soon.
I am going to get the "over 110 mph it's crap" problem
fixed.
The bloke at the dealers didn't bat an eyelid at my
requirement.
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