Car Park Ticket.... Ooops..
Discussion
Right, I tried to use the search facility but cannot pursuade it to work today for some reason.
At the weekend I got a ticket for parking in a car park for too long (my own fault, I saw the sign and assumed it would say 2 hours in the small print. It said 1) and when I returned to my car I had a Parking Charge Notice from Euro Car Parks.
The point of this post is a question.
The ticket states that they will obtain my information from the DVLA if I don't pay up. Are they able to do this?
I can't see how the DVLA can give away my information to a private firm for a private dispute without breaching the Data Protection Act?!
At the weekend I got a ticket for parking in a car park for too long (my own fault, I saw the sign and assumed it would say 2 hours in the small print. It said 1) and when I returned to my car I had a Parking Charge Notice from Euro Car Parks.
The point of this post is a question.
The ticket states that they will obtain my information from the DVLA if I don't pay up. Are they able to do this?
I can't see how the DVLA can give away my information to a private firm for a private dispute without breaching the Data Protection Act?!
Indeed.
Which is a private matter. Thus, the DVLA are in theory not entitled to provide my personal info (name and address) for a civil dispute?
I know that if there is an offence which has been committed then my details would be passed to plod etc.. but in this case it is a civil matter.
Which is a private matter. Thus, the DVLA are in theory not entitled to provide my personal info (name and address) for a civil dispute?
I know that if there is an offence which has been committed then my details would be passed to plod etc.. but in this case it is a civil matter.
I once worked in SE London and a load of my colleagues were parking in a supermarket car park patrolled by that same company.
Rumour went around that there was no way they (a private company) could obtain registered keepers details from DVLA so they all kept parking there and racking up the tickets thinking the company could not enforce the fines.
A few months later everyone got a legal letter threatening court action for the unpaid fines plus expenses etc. - some of them owed £3-400.00!!
I'd pay up if I were you.
Rumour went around that there was no way they (a private company) could obtain registered keepers details from DVLA so they all kept parking there and racking up the tickets thinking the company could not enforce the fines.
A few months later everyone got a legal letter threatening court action for the unpaid fines plus expenses etc. - some of them owed £3-400.00!!
I'd pay up if I were you.
Have you definitely breached something that is clearly posted in the car park?
If you have...pay up...but you could always write them the cheeky "wasn't my car" and see what happens...if nothing else it makes them spend a few minutes so that at least they've earned some of your money,
How much is the fine?
If you have...pay up...but you could always write them the cheeky "wasn't my car" and see what happens...if nothing else it makes them spend a few minutes so that at least they've earned some of your money,
How much is the fine?
I have now e-mailed the DVLA to ask them to confirm that they will breach the first principle of the DPA and provide my personal info to a third party. I will also contact the information commission and ask them to investigate if the DVLA do say they will provide my info.
Will let you know what they come back with.
I was pretty much intending to pay anyways, at the end of the day I was in the wrong, didn't read the sign and came back after 1 hour 40 mins which I thought would be fine !!
Will let you know what they come back with.
I was pretty much intending to pay anyways, at the end of the day I was in the wrong, didn't read the sign and came back after 1 hour 40 mins which I thought would be fine !!
Have a quick look on the DVLA website - www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/codeprac.htm
....explains their code on giving out keepers details to 3rd parties.
....explains their code on giving out keepers details to 3rd parties.
Goto www.pepipoo.com and look at the parking tickets section. These private company tickets do not seeem to be worth the paper they are printed on...
Sean
Sean
jasandjules said:
The ticket states that they will obtain my information from the DVLA if I don't pay up. Are they able to do this?
No, they cannot obtain your details from the DVLA. They can obtain the registered keeper's details from the DVLA. The RK may have no connection to the driver at all, and is under no obligation to tell the other party who was driving the vehicle, and hence formed the contract.
Ah,
Looking at the DVLAs website it appears they are happy to provide information for the payment of a fee, shock horror.
I'll take a look at Pepipoos as well, can't hurt.
And interesting about the registered keeper distinction. If I am the registered keeper and someone else drove into the car park........
I will probably still pay up as it was my fault at the end of the day, but I want to know what I can do about fighting it just due to the principle of the DVLA passing the info out to a third party in a private matter.
Cheers
Jas
Looking at the DVLAs website it appears they are happy to provide information for the payment of a fee, shock horror.
I'll take a look at Pepipoos as well, can't hurt.
And interesting about the registered keeper distinction. If I am the registered keeper and someone else drove into the car park........
I will probably still pay up as it was my fault at the end of the day, but I want to know what I can do about fighting it just due to the principle of the DVLA passing the info out to a third party in a private matter.
Cheers
Jas
Yep - of course they can - government agency making money from YOUR details.
Where's the problem? Did you not respond to the public consultancy document
earlier in the year? Oh, I see, like everyone else you didn't know about it!!!!
To be serious this has annoyed me so much, the fact that ANYONE who can show
they have a "valid reason" to get the keeper's address, can have it for £2.50,
and the DVLA say that the cannot tell ME who asked for MY details as that WILL
breach the DPA!!!!!!!!
I did write to my MP, who forwarded a reply from the transport minister.
It's not a problem because people have to show they have a valid reason in order
to get the keeper's information - oh that's OK then....so if I see a nice looking
car driving along, and think I want to have that, I can indicate that said car
is consistently parking across my drive, send a payment of £2.50 to the DVLA
and they'll tell me where the car's kept (assuming that the keeper lives where
the car is kep - probably true in most cases).
I changed my registered keepers address to my office.
Steve
Where's the problem? Did you not respond to the public consultancy document
earlier in the year? Oh, I see, like everyone else you didn't know about it!!!!
To be serious this has annoyed me so much, the fact that ANYONE who can show
they have a "valid reason" to get the keeper's address, can have it for £2.50,
and the DVLA say that the cannot tell ME who asked for MY details as that WILL
breach the DPA!!!!!!!!
I did write to my MP, who forwarded a reply from the transport minister.
It's not a problem because people have to show they have a valid reason in order
to get the keeper's information - oh that's OK then....so if I see a nice looking
car driving along, and think I want to have that, I can indicate that said car
is consistently parking across my drive, send a payment of £2.50 to the DVLA
and they'll tell me where the car's kept (assuming that the keeper lives where
the car is kep - probably true in most cases).
I changed my registered keepers address to my office.
Steve
jasandjules said:
I can't see how the DVLA can give away my information to a private firm for a private dispute without breaching the Data Protection Act?!
The DVLA is the Government and they don't bother with minor things like the DPA. They are selling and in many cases giving away your personal details for free every day not just to private firms but to foreign governments as well.
The Mail can always be relied upon for suitable hysterical articles:
http://tinyurl.com/en4es and (the following week) http://tinyurl.com/9kx26
...but Hurrah! - they're tightening up on this (yes, of course they are
):
http://tinyurl.com/e4tlf
http://tinyurl.com/en4es and (the following week) http://tinyurl.com/9kx26
...but Hurrah! - they're tightening up on this (yes, of course they are
): http://tinyurl.com/e4tlf
Edited by deva link on Tuesday 22 August 09:46
Well, I have asked for the view of the Information Commission as well on this.
The info is not supplied by us to be sold on to "enforcement companies". Feckin' disgraceful, especially when some a**hole parked ON my car bonnet, I took a photo, and his license plate, and have spent ages on letters etc.. trying to obtain his name and address, but as it was on Private Land the DVLA don't want to give me the info.....
The info is not supplied by us to be sold on to "enforcement companies". Feckin' disgraceful, especially when some a**hole parked ON my car bonnet, I took a photo, and his license plate, and have spent ages on letters etc.. trying to obtain his name and address, but as it was on Private Land the DVLA don't want to give me the info.....
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