Marine guilty of bike speed fraud
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bbc.co.uk said:
A Devon-based Royal Marine corporal has been found guilty of attempting to pervert the course of justice.
Gary Philips, 39, from Plymouth, was accused of changing the colour of his motorbike to avoid a speeding offence.
He had denied being caught on a speed camera doing 75mph in a 40mph zone in August 2005, claiming his bike's registration was "cloned".
The judge at Plymouth Crown Court adjourned sentencing until next month but warned Philips he could face jail.
Bike colour
Philips had been caught on a speed camera on Embankment Road in Plymouth on 17 August last year.
Fearing a driving ban, when the speeding ticket arrived he changed the bike's appearance from black to silver.
He then told police the number plate had been copied and he had not been riding the vehicle that had been photographed.
Phillips was released on unconditional bail after the verdict following a two-day trial. He will be sentenced on 29 September.
The Devon and Cornwall Safety Camera Partnership said that it was "delighted" with the verdict.
Pc Duncan Russell of the partnership said: "Some people will go to some extraordinary lengths to change the look of their vehicle and attempt to avoid their obligations for an offence, and clearly that's not good advice to take at all."
A spokesman for the Royal Marines refused to comment.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/de
Gary Philips, 39, from Plymouth, was accused of changing the colour of his motorbike to avoid a speeding offence.
He had denied being caught on a speed camera doing 75mph in a 40mph zone in August 2005, claiming his bike's registration was "cloned".
The judge at Plymouth Crown Court adjourned sentencing until next month but warned Philips he could face jail.
Bike colour
Philips had been caught on a speed camera on Embankment Road in Plymouth on 17 August last year.
Fearing a driving ban, when the speeding ticket arrived he changed the bike's appearance from black to silver.
He then told police the number plate had been copied and he had not been riding the vehicle that had been photographed.
Phillips was released on unconditional bail after the verdict following a two-day trial. He will be sentenced on 29 September.
The Devon and Cornwall Safety Camera Partnership said that it was "delighted" with the verdict.
Pc Duncan Russell of the partnership said: "Some people will go to some extraordinary lengths to change the look of their vehicle and attempt to avoid their obligations for an offence, and clearly that's not good advice to take at all."
A spokesman for the Royal Marines refused to comment.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/de
That was a bit stupid of him!
This chap is a normal, intelligent, sane (Marine notwithstanding!!) person who was caught while commiting a victimless 'crime'.
Why has the current persecution of the motorist forced people to act like this and feel they have to commit further much more serious crimes? It all seems to snowball without warning.
Why has the current persecution of the motorist forced people to act like this and feel they have to commit further much more serious crimes? It all seems to snowball without warning.
GKP said:
This chap is a normal, intelligent, sane (Marine notwithstanding!!) person who was caught while commiting a victimless 'crime'.
Why has the current persecution of the motorist forced people to act like this and feel they have to commit further much more serious crimes? It all seems to snowball without warning.
Why has the current persecution of the motorist forced people to act like this and feel they have to commit further much more serious crimes? It all seems to snowball without warning.
There are people who pervert the course of justice (considered as the more serious offence) to evade all types of crimes, not just speeding. Just as seemingly intelligent sane people also commit perjury in libel cases resulting in them going to prison.
Take responsibility for your actions, don't lie & cheat to evade them.
Edited by vonhosen on Monday 21st August 18:51
vonhosen said:
Take responsibility for your actions, don't lie & cheat to evade them.
What other posts appear to be saying, is that if politicians, police braid and officialdom in general - who are paid to act on our behalf - followed your advice in the first place, the world would be a different and better place.[quote=Devon & Cornwall scamera numpty]The Devon and Cornwall Safety Camera Partnership said that it was "delighted" with the verdict.
Pc Duncan Russell of the partnership said: "Some people will go to some extraordinary lengths to change the look of their vehicle and attempt to avoid their obligations for an offence, and clearly that's not good advice to take at all." [/quote]
It seems that scamera partnerships will go to some extraordinary lengths to catch someone for what is generally a victimless technical crime. They are terrified of losing control and the money and power that goes with it
Pc Duncan Russell of the partnership said: "Some people will go to some extraordinary lengths to change the look of their vehicle and attempt to avoid their obligations for an offence, and clearly that's not good advice to take at all." [/quote]
It seems that scamera partnerships will go to some extraordinary lengths to catch someone for what is generally a victimless technical crime. They are terrified of losing control and the money and power that goes with it
Richard C said:
Devon Cornwall scamera numpty said:
The Devon and Cornwall Safety Camera Partnership said that it was "delighted" with the verdict.
Pc Duncan Russell of the partnership said: "Some people will go to some extraordinary lengths to change the look of their vehicle and attempt to avoid their obligations for an offence, and clearly that's not good advice to take at all."
Pc Duncan Russell of the partnership said: "Some people will go to some extraordinary lengths to change the look of their vehicle and attempt to avoid their obligations for an offence, and clearly that's not good advice to take at all."
It seems that scamera partnerships will go to some extraordinary lengths to catch someone for what is generally a victimless technical crime. They are terrified of losing control and the money and power that goes with it
The crime they went to extraordinary lengths to prove was perverting the course of juctice. A serious offence reflected by the maximum sentence available.
Edited by vonhosen on Monday 21st August 19:45
vonhosen said:
Richard C said:
Devon Cornwall scamera numpty said:
The Devon and Cornwall Safety Camera Partnership said that it was "delighted" with the verdict.
Pc Duncan Russell of the partnership said: "Some people will go to some extraordinary lengths to change the look of their vehicle and attempt to avoid their obligations for an offence, and clearly that's not good advice to take at all."
Pc Duncan Russell of the partnership said: "Some people will go to some extraordinary lengths to change the look of their vehicle and attempt to avoid their obligations for an offence, and clearly that's not good advice to take at all."
It seems that scamera partnerships will go to some extraordinary lengths to catch someone for what is generally a victimless technical crime. They are terrified of losing control and the money and power that goes with it
The crime they went to extraordinary lengths to prove was perverting the course of juctice. A serious offence reflected by the maximum sentence available.
There must be millions who couldn't give a toss if this bloke got a ticket and sprayed his bike, they're more interested in the daft judges who fail to incarcerate persistently violent offenders, and daft politicians who want to release people from jail early rather than lock more of the scum up. Why are these people not facing the more serious charge of having already successfully perverted the justice system this bloke was half way to rectifying?
turbobloke said:
vonhosen said:
Richard C said:
Devon Cornwall scamera numpty said:
The Devon and Cornwall Safety Camera Partnership said that it was "delighted" with the verdict.
Pc Duncan Russell of the partnership said: "Some people will go to some extraordinary lengths to change the look of their vehicle and attempt to avoid their obligations for an offence, and clearly that's not good advice to take at all."
Pc Duncan Russell of the partnership said: "Some people will go to some extraordinary lengths to change the look of their vehicle and attempt to avoid their obligations for an offence, and clearly that's not good advice to take at all."
It seems that scamera partnerships will go to some extraordinary lengths to catch someone for what is generally a victimless technical crime. They are terrified of losing control and the money and power that goes with it
The crime they went to extraordinary lengths to prove was perverting the course of juctice. A serious offence reflected by the maximum sentence available.
There must be millions who couldn't give a toss if this bloke got a ticket and sprayed his bike, they're more interested in the daft judges who fail to incarcerate persistently violent offenders, and daft politicians who want to release people from jail early rather than lock more of the scum up. Why are these people not facing the more serious charge of having already successfully perverted the justice system this bloke was half way to rectifying?
In your opinion of course.
And how do we know that 75mph in a 40 he was doing wasn't wholey inappropriate as well as totally illegal ?
Edited by vonhosen on Monday 21st August 20:12
Speed is a non-starter, did he cause an accident? No.
Does exceeding the speed limit cause many? No, 4%
Should officialdom be concerned with speed? Yes they should ensure we can make progress as swiftly as we choose, as virtually everybody will choose swift AND safe. For the rest, speed limits and cameras are a waste of time.
As to the seriousness of this guy speeding and painting his bike, it's trivial, get some perspective.
Does exceeding the speed limit cause many? No, 4%
Should officialdom be concerned with speed? Yes they should ensure we can make progress as swiftly as we choose, as virtually everybody will choose swift AND safe. For the rest, speed limits and cameras are a waste of time.
As to the seriousness of this guy speeding and painting his bike, it's trivial, get some perspective.
turbobloke said:
Speed is a non-starter, did he cause an accident? No.
Does exceeding the speed limit cause many? No, 4%
Should officialdom be concerned with speed? Yes they should ensure we can make progress as swiftly as we choose, as virtually everybody will choose swift AND safe. For the rest, speed limits and cameras are a waste of time.
As to the seriousness of this guy speeding and painting his bike, it's trivial, get some perspective.
Does exceeding the speed limit cause many? No, 4%
Should officialdom be concerned with speed? Yes they should ensure we can make progress as swiftly as we choose, as virtually everybody will choose swift AND safe. For the rest, speed limits and cameras are a waste of time.
As to the seriousness of this guy speeding and painting his bike, it's trivial, get some perspective.
I don't regard it as trivial at all.
You are welcome to your opinion & I mine.
I've said before, I don't regard something as good or bad driving/riding based on whether a collision was caused or not.
Edited by vonhosen on Monday 21st August 20:19
vonhosen said:
In your opinion of course.
And how do we know that 75mph in a 40 he was doing wasn't wholey inappropriate as well as totally illegal ?
about 1/2 of Embankment Road is a busy urban throughfare for most of the day, if he was doing 75 there between say 8 am and 8pm then from experience it would be a dumb thing to do.
The rest of the road is reasonably clear, has very few turnings & no dwellings near it.
i was accused of this (not officially) last year. got a scamera notification for speeding in a bus lane in South London. Kindly supplied a photo of a dark colouored tatty japanese saloon with my numberplate whizzing past the busstop. rang the number on the summons and explained that a) I live in Somerset b) Ive not been to London in 8 years c) I was working on that day as my computer logs would verify and d) that my car was a guards red two-door german coupe not a 4 door saloon in the pic. was told I had to pay the fine or turn up for the summons, no quibbling, as I "could have changed the look of my car".
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