Main road to England may become one big speed trap.....
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http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=12
"Main road to England may become one big speed trap
ALASTAIR DALTON TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT
BRITAIN's longest speed trap could be set up on the main route between Edinburgh and the English Border.
The head of the Lothian and Borders Safety Camera Partnership has called for the Scottish section of the A1 to be covered by cameras that measure average speeds over set distances.
Colin McNeill, whose group comprises police, local authorities and the Scottish Executive, told The Scotsman the success of such "time and distance" cameras since they were deployed on the A77 in Ayrshire a year ago could be repeated on the A1.
Casualties on the A1 through East Lothian and the Borders have been cut since seven fixed speed cameras were introduced. But Mr McNeill said problem areas remained. These included high speeds on a nine-mile "expressway" between Haddington and Dunbar that opened two years ago but has no cameras.
Mr McNeill said: "I would like average-speed cameras between Edinburgh and the Border to be considered. They remove the sudden rise and drop in speeds around fixed cameras.
"We still see quite serious collisions on the A1, and this type of device seems to be working on the A77."
No estimate has been made of the likely cost of covering some 60 miles of the A1 with average-speed cameras, but the 29-mile zone on the A77, the longest of its type in Britain, cost £775,000.
The A77 cameras measure speeds on various stretches averaging half a mile. Since going live last August, the number of deaths and serious injuries has fallen from 14 to eight compared with the previous year.
Mr McNeill said the A1 proposal would be subject to money being available.
Sue Nicholson, the campaigns manager for the RAC Foundation, said such cameras had proved to be very effective, but using them for the entire A1 in Scotland would be "like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut".
Paul Smith, the founder of the anti-camera Safe Speed campaign, said: "You may not get the panic-braking response caused by fixed cameras, but people will drive while staring at their speedometers for long distances and so give less attention to other hazards."
Transport Scotland, which is responsible for the country's trunk roads, said the A77 scheme had still to be assessed before it would consider other average-speed camera projects."
"Main road to England may become one big speed trap
ALASTAIR DALTON TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT
BRITAIN's longest speed trap could be set up on the main route between Edinburgh and the English Border.
The head of the Lothian and Borders Safety Camera Partnership has called for the Scottish section of the A1 to be covered by cameras that measure average speeds over set distances.
Colin McNeill, whose group comprises police, local authorities and the Scottish Executive, told The Scotsman the success of such "time and distance" cameras since they were deployed on the A77 in Ayrshire a year ago could be repeated on the A1.
Casualties on the A1 through East Lothian and the Borders have been cut since seven fixed speed cameras were introduced. But Mr McNeill said problem areas remained. These included high speeds on a nine-mile "expressway" between Haddington and Dunbar that opened two years ago but has no cameras.
Mr McNeill said: "I would like average-speed cameras between Edinburgh and the Border to be considered. They remove the sudden rise and drop in speeds around fixed cameras.
"We still see quite serious collisions on the A1, and this type of device seems to be working on the A77."
No estimate has been made of the likely cost of covering some 60 miles of the A1 with average-speed cameras, but the 29-mile zone on the A77, the longest of its type in Britain, cost £775,000.
The A77 cameras measure speeds on various stretches averaging half a mile. Since going live last August, the number of deaths and serious injuries has fallen from 14 to eight compared with the previous year.
Mr McNeill said the A1 proposal would be subject to money being available.
Sue Nicholson, the campaigns manager for the RAC Foundation, said such cameras had proved to be very effective, but using them for the entire A1 in Scotland would be "like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut".
Paul Smith, the founder of the anti-camera Safe Speed campaign, said: "You may not get the panic-braking response caused by fixed cameras, but people will drive while staring at their speedometers for long distances and so give less attention to other hazards."
Transport Scotland, which is responsible for the country's trunk roads, said the A77 scheme had still to be assessed before it would consider other average-speed camera projects."
catso said:
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=12
The A77 cameras measure speeds on various stretches averaging half a mile. Since going live last August, the number of deaths and serious injuries has fallen from 14 to eight compared with the previous year.
Transport Scotland, which is responsible for the country's trunk roads, said the A77 scheme had still to be assessed before it would consider other average-speed camera projects."
The A77 cameras measure speeds on various stretches averaging half a mile. Since going live last August, the number of deaths and serious injuries has fallen from 14 to eight compared with the previous year.
Transport Scotland, which is responsible for the country's trunk roads, said the A77 scheme had still to be assessed before it would consider other average-speed camera projects."
These cameras were installed during the upgrade of the whole section of road and caused an uproar due to the revenue raised.
It was the road engineering project that has transformed the safety of the road, NOT the cameras.
These miscreants sit back and take the credit for the engineer's skill and achievements: makes me sick to my stomach!
This coming assessment has to be studied in great detail.
Vermin.
Let us prey death comes to them with a similar, unswerving efficiency to that with which they wish our mobile constriction.
Why don't these doofae go and protect the Falklands instead?
You see, this is precisely what happens when the working class starts poking it's nose in...
Ruddy barstards!
Let us prey death comes to them with a similar, unswerving efficiency to that with which they wish our mobile constriction.
Why don't these doofae go and protect the Falklands instead?
You see, this is precisely what happens when the working class starts poking it's nose in...
Ruddy barstards!
derestrictor said:
Vermin.
Let us prey death comes to them with a similar, unswerving efficiency to that with which they wish our mobile constriction.
Why don't these doofae go and protect the Falklands instead?
You see, this is precisely what happens when the working class starts poking it's nose in...
Ruddy barstards!
Let us prey death comes to them with a similar, unswerving efficiency to that with which they wish our mobile constriction.
Why don't these doofae go and protect the Falklands instead?
You see, this is precisely what happens when the working class starts poking it's nose in...
Ruddy barstards!
If i may just interject Sir Der, i think youll find the "working classes" (of which i am unashamed to admit being one of, admittedly with pretensions of being a Sir like your good self) have just as much anger vis a vis this unwarranted, pervasive intrusion into all things combusting internally as does your good self.
Chavs on the other hand are a different kettle of fish and are, as you correctly pointed out, "Ruddy Barstards!"
DF, working class is an unfortunate term: after all, it suggests no route to squirearchy for most of us which is of course, the best the proletariat can hope for; a meritocracy of sorts.
Worry not, dear friend, I was once filth on foot, skulking from one dungheap to the next, never sure which pocket to pick next.
Now, as villain au hoof, the ability to gallop from one enclosure to the next, shouting loudly and loosing canon as and where suitable (basically at anyone not heaving behind scythe or plough), my faith in a correct, societal procedure is complete and unshakable.
The problem with modernity is the ridiculous obsession with promoting what I call 'peasants of the mind,' the real contestants for the mislabled 'working class' tag, the farm hands better suited to simple yeomanry, cavalry charging and so on.
The sort who, if they were on Star Trek, would have been beamed down in red tops and zapped by the poisonous plant within seconds of landing on planet Zog.
Instead of pointing radars at us, these dirt snuffling retards might instead be waving enthusiatically like a mid 50's Modenese peasan at a fast rutting Maserati.
Dreadful, isn't it?
Worry not, dear friend, I was once filth on foot, skulking from one dungheap to the next, never sure which pocket to pick next.
Now, as villain au hoof, the ability to gallop from one enclosure to the next, shouting loudly and loosing canon as and where suitable (basically at anyone not heaving behind scythe or plough), my faith in a correct, societal procedure is complete and unshakable.
The problem with modernity is the ridiculous obsession with promoting what I call 'peasants of the mind,' the real contestants for the mislabled 'working class' tag, the farm hands better suited to simple yeomanry, cavalry charging and so on.
The sort who, if they were on Star Trek, would have been beamed down in red tops and zapped by the poisonous plant within seconds of landing on planet Zog.
Instead of pointing radars at us, these dirt snuffling retards might instead be waving enthusiatically like a mid 50's Modenese peasan at a fast rutting Maserati.
Dreadful, isn't it?
Parrot of Doom said:
I'd love to hear the head of my local pratnership say something similar. I'd also love to know where he/she lives, because then I'd wait outside their house until they used their car, and measure the speed on their journey. I'd put money on them speeding.
The SUN did this a few times, surprisingly the guys who were manning the speed cameras were all caught speeding by The SUN... Can't think why.......
Colin McNeill said:
"We still see quite serious collisions on the A1
Head-ons on the Single carriageway sections perchance? Mainly where cars are trying to overtake trucks forced to drive at 40mph?
The A1 Needs Dualling, not bloody SPECS cameras.
Edited by monkeyhanger on Tuesday 29th August 19:18
monkeyhanger said:
Colin McNeill said:
"We still see quite serious collisions on the A1
Head-ons on the Single carriageway sections perchance? Mainly where cars are trying to overtake trucks forced to drive at 40mph?
The A1 Needs Dualling, not bloody SPECS cameras.
Edited by monkeyhanger on Tuesday 29th August 19:18
Cameras pay for themselves and make a profit on top of that as opposed to engineering improvements (or traffic police). It's all about money and jobs for the boys!
derestrictor said:
DF, working class is an unfortunate term: after all, it suggests no route to squirearchy for most of us which is of course, the best the proletariat can hope for; a meritocracy of sorts.
Worry not, dear friend, I was once filth on foot, skulking from one dungheap to the next, never sure which pocket to pick next.
Now, as villain au hoof, the ability to gallop from one enclosure to the next, shouting loudly and loosing canon as and where suitable (basically at anyone not heaving behind scythe or plough), my faith in a correct, societal procedure is complete and unshakable.
The problem with modernity is the ridiculous obsession with promoting what I call 'peasants of the mind,' the real contestants for the mislabled 'working class' tag, the farm hands better suited to simple yeomanry, cavalry charging and so on.
The sort who, if they were on Star Trek, would have been beamed down in red tops and zapped by the poisonous plant within seconds of landing on planet Zog.
Instead of pointing radars at us, these dirt snuffling retards might instead be waving enthusiatically like a mid 50's Modenese peasan at a fast rutting Maserati.
Dreadful, isn't it?
Worry not, dear friend, I was once filth on foot, skulking from one dungheap to the next, never sure which pocket to pick next.
Now, as villain au hoof, the ability to gallop from one enclosure to the next, shouting loudly and loosing canon as and where suitable (basically at anyone not heaving behind scythe or plough), my faith in a correct, societal procedure is complete and unshakable.
The problem with modernity is the ridiculous obsession with promoting what I call 'peasants of the mind,' the real contestants for the mislabled 'working class' tag, the farm hands better suited to simple yeomanry, cavalry charging and so on.
The sort who, if they were on Star Trek, would have been beamed down in red tops and zapped by the poisonous plant within seconds of landing on planet Zog.
Instead of pointing radars at us, these dirt snuffling retards might instead be waving enthusiatically like a mid 50's Modenese peasan at a fast rutting Maserati.
Dreadful, isn't it?
In short its a crock of shit
alphadog said:
monkeyhanger said:
Colin McNeill said:
"We still see quite serious collisions on the A1
Head-ons on the Single carriageway sections perchance? Mainly where cars are trying to overtake trucks forced to drive at 40mph?
The A1 Needs Dualling, not bloody SPECS cameras.
Edited by monkeyhanger on Tuesday 29th August 19:18
Cameras pay for themselves and make a profit on top of that as opposed to engineering improvements (or traffic police). It's all about money and jobs for the boys!
If I may; I think the important word that’s missing is that it’s the councils making money.
polus said:
alphadog said:
monkeyhanger said:
Colin McNeill said:
"We still see quite serious collisions on the A1
Head-ons on the Single carriageway sections perchance? Mainly where cars are trying to overtake trucks forced to drive at 40mph?
The A1 Needs Dualling, not bloody SPECS cameras.
Edited by monkeyhanger on Tuesday 29th August 19:18
Cameras pay for themselves and make a profit on top of that as opposed to engineering improvements (or traffic police). It's all about money and jobs for the boys!
If I may; I think the important word that’s missing is that it’s the councils making money.
They can't make money, they are not allowed to get any profit (just recover costs).
From next year there is no netting off. They get a road safety budget & that's it.
vonhosen said:
They can't make money, they are not allowed to get any profit (just recover costs).
From next year there is no netting off. They get a road safety budget & that's it.
VH is quite correct, and the scammers crime is not making money but being self sufficient, that way the Govt can appear to do something about road safety whilst removing the costly and effective measure that can actually make a difference, now you just play about with stats and everyone’s a winner!
All the money saved on Trafpol etc can be wisely spent on your highly regarded and much needed outer Mongolian disabled lesbian single parent outreach officer who comes in at a mere snip at £40k a head.
MilnerR said:
Here you have a road crying out to be engineered safely but is being over-looked due to a flawed road safety policy. Cameras are costing lives. The SCPs know this but have to pay their mortgages every month so are unlikely to vote for christmas being the turkeys that they are!
But surely Mon Chum!..
Are they not mainly concerned with our "safety"......
Mere money is not a consideration for them Non?..... i.e. If they become ..."unemployed" ...have they not succeeded?..
There Mr Pack (can I call you 8?) is the corruption laid bare. The SCP don't have to worry about sucess because it will never happen. They know that, we know that, everyone knows that. However they employ an Orwellian doublethink technique to allow them to have two completely contradictory ideas in their heads at once.
"We want speeding to stop but if it does then we lose our jobs so we want people to keep speeding, but our job is to stop people speeding,therefore we want speeding to stop, however, if they stop speeding then we lose our jobs......" its a wonderful bit of doublethink.
There's the logic that our current road safety policy is based on.
"We want speeding to stop but if it does then we lose our jobs so we want people to keep speeding, but our job is to stop people speeding,therefore we want speeding to stop, however, if they stop speeding then we lose our jobs......" its a wonderful bit of doublethink.
There's the logic that our current road safety policy is based on.
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