Overtakers in a rush for the undertaker!
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I’ve just been up to the coast from Cambridge to Wells for a drive on a nice day, as most of the roads in Norfolk a single carriageway the run takes a but longer but does it matter…………….. Well it seems to in the 130 miles I’ve driven today I’ve seen a whole years worth of stupidity on the roads
1. Following a caravan on a single carriageway at 50mph a guy behind who is itching to overtake even though you need radar to see what’s coming, overtakes at a point in the road that is clear apart from a car in a gateway on the opposite site of the road which you’ve guessed pulls out just this knob pulls out to overtake, result very near miss of about 1ft and the guy still behind me with a now brown car interior.
2. Again someone overtaking near the exit to a garage with traffic waiting to join the road an other near miss by inches not feet
3. An MPV full of people, over taking on blind bends, cross roads. To only pass them in a lay by a few miles down the road having a cup of tea!
4. French nut case in a LHD car trying to pass a lorry and having to take half the other carriageway before he knows it’s clear, swerving in and out only till it’s clear only then to drive at 50mph once passed the lorry
All the above were carried out under the speed limit at least 3 of the above would have resulted in fatalities if the vehicles had collided .
When is someone going to wake up and get these people off the road, an unmarked police patrol would have netted a number of convictions rather than guy in a scamera van who was just confirming that we where below the limit. Roads need patrolling by the police not staking out.
1. Following a caravan on a single carriageway at 50mph a guy behind who is itching to overtake even though you need radar to see what’s coming, overtakes at a point in the road that is clear apart from a car in a gateway on the opposite site of the road which you’ve guessed pulls out just this knob pulls out to overtake, result very near miss of about 1ft and the guy still behind me with a now brown car interior.
2. Again someone overtaking near the exit to a garage with traffic waiting to join the road an other near miss by inches not feet
3. An MPV full of people, over taking on blind bends, cross roads. To only pass them in a lay by a few miles down the road having a cup of tea!
4. French nut case in a LHD car trying to pass a lorry and having to take half the other carriageway before he knows it’s clear, swerving in and out only till it’s clear only then to drive at 50mph once passed the lorry
All the above were carried out under the speed limit at least 3 of the above would have resulted in fatalities if the vehicles had collided .
When is someone going to wake up and get these people off the road, an unmarked police patrol would have netted a number of convictions rather than guy in a scamera van who was just confirming that we where below the limit. Roads need patrolling by the police not staking out.
We neeed people driving at the speed limit or even raising the limits. The silly speeds some people drive at nowadays just cause bunching up and mass frustration. I don't bother driving to Skegness or Norfolk for this very reason. I stopped going to those places 6 years ago.
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Boosted LS1 said:
We neeed people driving at the speed limit or even raising the limits. The silly speeds some people drive at nowadays just cause bunching up and mass frustration. I don't bother driving to Skegness or Norfolk for this very reason. I stopped going to those places 6 years ago.
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Nice roads there, but just like everywhere else you are going to get poor drivers.
The roads there, at this time of year, are going to be busy with farm traffic & caravans. You can't blame every caravan & tractor for other drivers impatience & stupidity.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 24th September 17:36
vonhosen said:
The roads there, at this time of year, are going to be busy with farm traffic & caravans. You can't blame every caravan & tractor for other drivers impatience & stupidity.
The roads around here are full of farm vehicles all year round, always some item of equipment that just has to be moved in rush hour!
If you drive between the rushes then the OAPs on day release make an interesting alternative mobile chicane. 
to the OP..I see things likle that everyday out in the Fens of the world, I think the light and space of East Anglia affects people's jugdement.
Edited by SirTainly on Sunday 24th September 19:35
Edited by SirTainly on Sunday 24th September 19:35
vonhosen said:
Boosted LS1 said:
We neeed people driving at the speed limit or even raising the limits. The silly speeds some people drive at nowadays just cause bunching up and mass frustration. I don't bother driving to Skegness or Norfolk for this very reason. I stopped going to those places 6 years ago.
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Nice roads there, but just like everywhere else you are going to get poor drivers.
The roads there, at this time of year, are going to be busy with farm traffic & caravans. You can't blame every caravan & tractor for other drivers impatience & stupidity.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 24th September 17:36
Actually with a few exceptions they aren't the problems in Norfolk.
The real problem I see (I live there) is the rapidly increasing number of people pootling about at 25-30mph (e.g. 30 on the straight) and sometimes slower than that. This seems to be getting significantly worse, and ageist as it may be, most of them are old.
I think this is the most likely cause of death by speed-focus.
There are quite a few hard of thinking drivers around Norfolk who a)believe that the faster you go the more dangerous you are and b)by extension know that by driving at 40 in a 60 you're being 2/3rds as dangerous.
Often these imbeciles will speed up when you overtake them, although quite how this squares with their supposed fascination with road safety is beyond explaination.
SM
There are quite a few hard of thinking drivers around Norfolk who a)believe that the faster you go the more dangerous you are and b)by extension know that by driving at 40 in a 60 you're being 2/3rds as dangerous.
Often these imbeciles will speed up when you overtake them, although quite how this squares with their supposed fascination with road safety is beyond explaination.
SM
Due to pi55 poor planing on my behalf I had to drive to Newcastle and back again on Friday. A total of 600+ miles in a day and I did see some pretty shocking driving. There was the Nissan Maxima towing a trailer who decided to overtake a truck on an A road - while approaching a blind crest on double white lines (and lots of warning signs). Strangely the poor woman coming the other way will have been pleased to have got ABS on her Yaris, because she certainly used it to come to stop....
Then there was the bloke in VW Polo who thought it fair game to overtake on the same A road while rounding corners into oncoming traffic. Then there was the ... blah blah...
You get the idea of course. Yet again, its not about "speeding" but about careless and inconsiderate driving. At no point did any of these drivers break the speed limit yet their driving was shockingly dangerous. To be honest, if you cannot deal with a bit of a hold-up behind a slow moving car / truck / caravan then I am afraid that you shouldnt be driving.
Then there was the bloke in VW Polo who thought it fair game to overtake on the same A road while rounding corners into oncoming traffic. Then there was the ... blah blah...
You get the idea of course. Yet again, its not about "speeding" but about careless and inconsiderate driving. At no point did any of these drivers break the speed limit yet their driving was shockingly dangerous. To be honest, if you cannot deal with a bit of a hold-up behind a slow moving car / truck / caravan then I am afraid that you shouldnt be driving.
We live here and the driving standards are shocking. Not speed related mainly, but just stupid. Of course the Govt will put in more cameras which have little or no effect on these retards.
By way of example these are some of the events we have witnessed in the last 6 years:
Children sat and standing on the lap of the driver (yup you read that right!)
Old duffer going the wrong way down the Diss dual carriageway
6 children in the back of a Fiat Uno (all obviously unrestrained)
Two sheep in the passenger seat of a pick-up ("taking the girlfriends home" was my wife's only comment)
A old guy in a car park who had trouble locating his door lock with his keys becasuse he was too shakey ! He said he only drove into town once a week on market day and that he had never had a accident. I bet he had caused a few though!
By way of example these are some of the events we have witnessed in the last 6 years:
Children sat and standing on the lap of the driver (yup you read that right!)
Old duffer going the wrong way down the Diss dual carriageway
6 children in the back of a Fiat Uno (all obviously unrestrained)
Two sheep in the passenger seat of a pick-up ("taking the girlfriends home" was my wife's only comment)
A old guy in a car park who had trouble locating his door lock with his keys becasuse he was too shakey ! He said he only drove into town once a week on market day and that he had never had a accident. I bet he had caused a few though!
This morning whilst driving into work I decided to overtake an oldish woman in a Jazz. She was one of the 35-40 mph brigade. I waited for a long straight put my indicator on and started the overtake, at which point the woman veered across and blocked my overtaking. I slammed my brakes on and returned to my original position (whilst flashing my lights!). A mile or so later another opportunity presented itself and she did the same again 
She'd decided for me that overtaking was intrinsically dangerous and was obviously saving me from myself 
She'd decided for me that overtaking was intrinsically dangerous and was obviously saving me from myself supermono said:
I think this is the most likely cause of death by speed-focus.
There are quite a few hard of thinking drivers around Norfolk who a)believe that the faster you go the more dangerous you are and b)by extension know that by driving at 40 in a 60 you're being 2/3rds as dangerous.
Often these imbeciles will speed up when you overtake them, although quite how this squares with their supposed fascination with road safety is beyond explaination.
SM
There are quite a few hard of thinking drivers around Norfolk who a)believe that the faster you go the more dangerous you are and b)by extension know that by driving at 40 in a 60 you're being 2/3rds as dangerous.
Often these imbeciles will speed up when you overtake them, although quite how this squares with their supposed fascination with road safety is beyond explaination.
SM
I'm sure you're right. Obsession with speed as the only safety parameter is largely to blame when it should be way down the list of considerations.
MilnerR said:
This morning whilst driving into work I decided to overtake an oldish woman in a Jazz. She was one of the 35-40 mph brigade. I waited for a long straight put my indicator on and started the overtake, at which point the woman veered across and blocked my overtaking. I slammed my brakes on and returned to my original position (whilst flashing my lights!). A mile or so later another opportunity presented itself and she did the same again She'd decided for me that overtaking was intrinsically dangerous and was obviously saving me from myself
She'd decided for me that overtaking was intrinsically dangerous and was obviously saving me from myself I've never really understood this type of reaction:
"Someone is doing something I *perceive* to be dangerous, therefore I must make it even more dangerous to show them the error of their ways!" It's almost as disgusting and deluded as brake testing.
I've made the effort to report people for that behaviour, especially if they do it to me more than once.
cptsideways said:
Also nowadays I quite expect people to accelerate when you pass them, it seems to be a very common issue, so hence I rarely indicate to overtake unless there is traffic behind who need to know.
It is sad but true, and I often don't indicate for the same reason although being in the ready position, and then half way out to confirm my view tends to give the game away
In or on one of my faster vehicles it's not too much bother, but I rarely overtake with the shopping cart these days because of self righteous arse holes speeding up during the overtake.
I’ve just been up to the coast from Cambridge to Wells for a drive on a nice day, as most of the roads in Norfolk a single carriageway the run takes a but longer but does it matter…………….. Well it seems to in the 130 miles I’ve driven today I’ve seen a whole years worth of stupidity on the roads
Try driving into london in rush hour
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1. Following a caravan on a single carriageway at 50mph a guy behind who is itching to overtake even though you need radar to see what’s coming, overtakes at a point in the road that is clear apart from a car in a gateway on the opposite site of the road which you’ve guessed pulls out just this knob pulls out to overtake, result very near miss of about 1ft and the guy still behind me with a now brown car interior.
Don't understand this I have no problem with an aborted overtake. It doesn't mean you've done something wrong, it means the person is still assessing during the overtake which I find quite refreshing. Its the do or die decision where the brain effectively switches off as the pedal goes to the metal I hate.
2. Again someone overtaking near the exit to a garage with traffic waiting to join the road an other near miss by inches not feet
Just plain stupid, as a very high risk manouver from the get go, and easly percievable as such.
3. An MPV full of people, over taking on blind bends, cross roads. To only pass them in a lay by a few miles down the road having a cup of tea!
Not defending but when I overtake, I am often told by more sensible half, 'why do that when you are about to fill with petrol/stop for lunch/turn off the main road'. And my reply is always the same, that overtaking is its own fun and someone would have to be stupid in this day and age to think it is actually an effective means to getting from a to b faster.
4. French nut case in a LHD car trying to pass a lorry and having to take half the other carriageway before he knows it’s clear, swerving in and out only till it’s clear only then to drive at 50mph once passed the lorry
First part 'no other way is there in a LHD drive car?'. Second part, I do this a lot because I hate driving behind vehicle when my vision is impared. I tend to drive for the car two or three in front because anticipation makes me a better driver. I can't anticipate anything and have to trust the driver in front if all I can see is a bumper sticker. This gets worse the sportier the car I'm driving.
All the above were carried out under the speed limit at least 3 of the above would have resulted in fatalities if the vehicles had collided .
When is someone going to wake up and get these people off the road, an unmarked police patrol would have netted a number of convictions rather than guy in a scamera van who was just confirming that we where below the limit. Roads need patrolling by the police not staking out.
Couldn't agree more. But then I think the current generation of police are so indocrinated that any overtake manouver could easily be percieved as illegal. In other words there is no such thing as a legal overtake performed in the real world.
Try driving into london in rush hour
. 1. Following a caravan on a single carriageway at 50mph a guy behind who is itching to overtake even though you need radar to see what’s coming, overtakes at a point in the road that is clear apart from a car in a gateway on the opposite site of the road which you’ve guessed pulls out just this knob pulls out to overtake, result very near miss of about 1ft and the guy still behind me with a now brown car interior.
Don't understand this I have no problem with an aborted overtake. It doesn't mean you've done something wrong, it means the person is still assessing during the overtake which I find quite refreshing. Its the do or die decision where the brain effectively switches off as the pedal goes to the metal I hate.
2. Again someone overtaking near the exit to a garage with traffic waiting to join the road an other near miss by inches not feet
Just plain stupid, as a very high risk manouver from the get go, and easly percievable as such.
3. An MPV full of people, over taking on blind bends, cross roads. To only pass them in a lay by a few miles down the road having a cup of tea!
Not defending but when I overtake, I am often told by more sensible half, 'why do that when you are about to fill with petrol/stop for lunch/turn off the main road'. And my reply is always the same, that overtaking is its own fun and someone would have to be stupid in this day and age to think it is actually an effective means to getting from a to b faster.
4. French nut case in a LHD car trying to pass a lorry and having to take half the other carriageway before he knows it’s clear, swerving in and out only till it’s clear only then to drive at 50mph once passed the lorry
First part 'no other way is there in a LHD drive car?'. Second part, I do this a lot because I hate driving behind vehicle when my vision is impared. I tend to drive for the car two or three in front because anticipation makes me a better driver. I can't anticipate anything and have to trust the driver in front if all I can see is a bumper sticker. This gets worse the sportier the car I'm driving.
All the above were carried out under the speed limit at least 3 of the above would have resulted in fatalities if the vehicles had collided .
When is someone going to wake up and get these people off the road, an unmarked police patrol would have netted a number of convictions rather than guy in a scamera van who was just confirming that we where below the limit. Roads need patrolling by the police not staking out.
Couldn't agree more. But then I think the current generation of police are so indocrinated that any overtake manouver could easily be percieved as illegal. In other words there is no such thing as a legal overtake performed in the real world.
Quinny said:
You can do virtually what you like on the roads these days, chances of being seen by a patrol car are almost nil.
My favorite today was a couple of young guys in a Focus.
Passenger had a 2 or 3 year old toddler sitting, then standing on his knee
Chances of gettin caught. Slim
Chances of kiddy being seriously hurt or worse in an accident. Pretty dammed high I'd say.
My favorite today was a couple of young guys in a Focus.
Passenger had a 2 or 3 year old toddler sitting, then standing on his knee
Chances of gettin caught. Slim
Chances of kiddy being seriously hurt or worse in an accident. Pretty dammed high I'd say.
....and the chances of them actually having an accident?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
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