Denial

[lordpicton]

Can I just say that if everybody who has their vehicle photographed exceeding the speed limit denied that they were the driver, and that the driver lived abroad etc etc the whole rotten system would come to a grinding halt. These bloody holier than thou civilians who operate these machines rely on motorists to immediately cave in and admit it was them. If we all denied it, and they certainly can't prove it, they would be stuck. I have been successful 7 times in the last three years or so, and my driving licence is still clean.

[TripleS]

lordpicton said:

Can I just say that if everybody who has their vehicle photographed exceeding the speed limit denied that they were the driver, and that the driver lived abroad etc etc the whole rotten system would come to a grinding halt. These bloody holier than thou civilians who operate these machines rely on motorists to immediately cave in and admit it was them. If we all denied it, and they certainly can't prove it, they would be stuck. I have been successful 7 times in the last three years or so, and my driving licence is still clean.

Good grief! Seven speeding incidents from which you've escaped in three years? That's not what I would have expected given your previous line of work. BTW, I tend to feel the TrafPol fellows are (for the most part) still the good guys.

Oh, and welcome to PH.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[justinp1]

lordpicton said:

Can I just say that if everybody who has their vehicle photographed exceeding the speed limit denied that they were the driver, and that the driver lived abroad etc etc the whole rotten system would come to a grinding halt. These bloody holier than thou civilians who operate these machines rely on motorists to immediately cave in and admit it was them. If we all denied it, and they certainly can't prove it, they would be stuck. I have been successful 7 times in the last three years or so, and my driving licence is still clean.

With that kind of attitude, if you really are a retired traffic cop, I think you could be an excellent 'expert witness' for a number of cases of people alleged on PH that would benefit from the information from the 'other side'.

Someone with such a history and experience willing to admit that the system *isnt* perfect would be refreshing for the legal system to say the least.

Edited by justinp1 on Saturday 30th September 21:39

[Hollywood Wheels]

Great forward vision there Edward, you must have been a brilliant Rat.....

[vonhosen]

lordpicton said:

Can I just say that if everybody who has their vehicle photographed exceeding the speed limit denied that they were the driver, and that the driver lived abroad etc etc the whole rotten system would come to a grinding halt. These bloody holier than thou civilians who operate these machines rely on motorists to immediately cave in and admit it was them. If we all denied it, and they certainly can't prove it, they would be stuck. I have been successful 7 times in the last three years or so, and my driving licence is still clean.

Playing for big stakes with that game

[turbobloke]

Yes these days there are forces who think it's a valid use of police time to contact the four corners of the earth over something akin to walking on cracks in the pavement.

Interesting that even after the scam was admitted, the state just wanted tax in the case cited by von

[Plotloss]

You wouldnt even need to make up the fact that it was a non Brit driving.

If everyone elected to have their case heard in court that would spell the end of cameras faster than anything else.

[turbobloke]

Plotloss said:

You wouldnt even need to make up the fact that it was a non Brit driving.

If everyone elected to have their case heard in court that would spell the end of cameras faster than anything else.

True enough, which is why it will probably not be an option for much longer...

[vonhosen]

turbobloke said:

Plotloss said:

You wouldnt even need to make up the fact that it was a non Brit driving.

If everyone elected to have their case heard in court that would spell the end of cameras faster than anything else.

True enough, which is why it will probably not be an option for much longer...

You're probably right, I can see it becoming a PCN for camera offences. Strict liability for registered keeper (no NIPs , sec 172 etc )

[Plotloss]

If it became a PCN would it still be endorsable??

[turbobloke]

vonhosen said:

turbobloke said:

Plotloss said:

You wouldnt even need to make up the fact that it was a non Brit driving.

If everyone elected to have their case heard in court that would spell the end of cameras faster than anything else.

True enough, which is why it will probably not be an option for much longer...

You're probably right, I can see it becoming a PCN for camera offences. Strict liability for registered keeper (no NIPs , sec 172 etc )

Registered keepers under 10 years of age cannot commit a criminal offence, no need to go to Bulgaria.

If that gets washed out (unlikely) the EHCR will be revisited asafp as anything pronounced summarily guilty of a criminal nature violates right to fair trial. Was that your point plotloss?

[Plotloss]

No, just wondered if offences covered by a PCN can be endorsable on the old licence.

[vonhosen]

No if it became a PCN it wouldn't be endorseable. It would be a fine to the registered keeper. A civil debt like parking tickets. But where stopped by Police you could still get points as it would be dealt with as a criminal offence.

Registered keepers are going to have to have insurance for their cars under the new road safety bill. No 10 year old is going to get insurance as a registered keeper.

Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 30th September 22:42

[shuvitupya]

lordpicton said:

I have been successful 7 times in the last three years or so, and my driving licence is still clean.

So you have defrauded the Uk Government 7 times.

When they catch up with you, they are going to use a very large bar of soap in that prison

[justinp1]

shuvitupya said:

lordpicton said:

I have been successful 7 times in the last three years or so, and my driving licence is still clean.

So you have defrauded the Uk Government 7 times.

When they catch up with you, they are going to use a very large bar of soap in that prison

Just a co-incidental topic of conversation with a name like yours!

[Dwight VanDriver]

Your name Picton does not feature in my hall of fame of ex traffic plods that served with NRYCC, Y & NEYP or even NYP.

You must be a rantag from out of the County?

Care to enlighten?


dvd

[turbobloke]

Maybe the noble lord is using a nom de plume, recognising the various benefits and disbenefits of 'enlightenment'. Lordpicton is an anagram of Rod Pintloc, any use?

[supersingle]

vonhosen said:

Registered keepers are going to have to have insurance for their cars under the new road safety bill.

Does this mean that vehicles that are SORNed will need insurance cover. Looks like the possession tax is making a comeback.

[vonhosen]

supersingle said:

vonhosen said:

Registered keepers are going to have to have insurance for their cars under the new road safety bill.

Does this mean that vehicles that are SORNed will need insurance cover. Looks like the possession tax is making a comeback.

No, but if a SORN'd vehicle is on the road you as the registered keeper are going to get hit for breaching the SORN & no insurance.

Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 1st October 11:21

[supersingle]

vonhosen said:

supersingle said:

vonhosen said:

Registered keepers are going to have to have insurance for their cars under the new road safety bill.

Does this mean that vehicles that are SORNed will need insurance cover. Looks like the possession tax is making a comeback.

No, but if a SORN'd vehicle is on the road you as the registered keeper are going to get hit for breaching the SORN & no insurance.

Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 1st October 11:21

I wouldn't use an untaxed vehicle on the road. A while ago the DVLA was pushing for a possession tax on all vehicles. Very simple to administer but not great for collectors of old bangers like myself.

SORN is enough of a PITA