RE: Speed camera scam revealed
RE: Speed camera scam revealed
Monday 16th October 2006

Speed camera scam revealed

Insiders admit it's about the money not safety


Gatso: money-grabber
Gatso: money-grabber
Speed cameras are a cash scam motivated by greed not safety, as revealed by an undercover reporter who posed as a foreign potential buyer of speed cameras.

According to a story in yesterday's Mail on Sunday, the reporter asked how the system worked in Britain. The response was that Britain's system of speed cameras is raking in "buckets of money" with plenty more to come.

Jon Bond, previously a police officer in charge of Warwickshire's speed cameras but now heading up Tele-Traffic, which supplies almost all of Britain's speed cameras, told the reporter said that the courts can't process incoming cheques fast enough. He also reportedly said that the government fixes systems so that none of the money goes towards the roads but instead pours straight in the Treasury's cash bucket.

Tele-Traffic also urged the potential buyer to place cameras near schools to catch school run mums in the afternoon and businessmen in the morning.

Money is also made because the organisations that run the system don’t have the correct legal training. Bond allegedly said that many prosecutions were invalid because an operator (or operators) because did not have the training that the law requires.

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Road safety campaign Safe Speed argued that continuing to prosecute motorists in such circumstances "is surely perverting the course of justice", and called for a criminal investigation.

Safe Speed reported that the Department for Transport has issued a statement in response to the Mail on Sunday 'Speed Camera Scam' article, claiming that it has "clear proof" that speed cameras are helpful to road safety.

Safe Speed said that the DfT has no such thing. Even the evidence for an improvement "at speed camera site" is equivocal due to a large error source known as regression to the mean. After years of ignoring this error, DfT admitted it was highly significant in the small print of its fourth year report, said Safe Speed.

Department for Transport has neither investigated nor considered the side effects of speed cameras on road safety. To neglect the side effects in 1993 when speed cameras were first introduced was negligent. To maintain the position now - when clearly they must be highly aware of the wide ranging side effects - is virtually fraudulent.

Safe Speed founder Paul Smith said: "The Department for Transport is in denial about the abject failure of its road safety policies.

"If speed cameras had 'worked' as a road safety device we should have expected road deaths and hospitalisations to fall faster than before. But that is the opposite of what has happened. Road deaths and hospitalisations are not falling significantly at all.

"Department for Transport must now face the truth. Speed cameras are 21st century snake oil. They certainly do not save lives. In fact that have damaged the very foundations of road safety by feeding false priorities and distractions into the place were road safety exists; into the minds of road users."

The Association of British Drivers' Tony Vickers said: 'Motorists have suspected for many years that the whole system is against them - now we have the proof that it starts with the Government and goes downwards.

"While there is no evidence that any individual on the partnerships profits from this, the truth of the matter is that it is enabling certain police officers to build mini-empires which are completely unaccountable to anyone but the Treasury."

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Dr S

Original Poster:

5,155 posts

256 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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Why are we not surprised? Why can't the just bl**dy well admit it...banghead

Mr Whippy

32,453 posts

271 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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It's obvious anyway, if it wasn't about the money then they'd be out of work!

Dave

iluvmercs

7,541 posts

257 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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So its taken from 1993 to officially come out?! As if anyone thought otherwise!

Darren

joe_90

4,206 posts

261 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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so what.. who cares.. nothing will ever happen/change.

/just pissed at the fact nothing will ever change.

speedy_thrills

7,963 posts

273 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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Auberon Waugh said:
Speed cameras are fatuous instruments of oppression designed to exercise power and impose subservience purely for it’s own sake.

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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article said:

...Mail on Sunday...


Blimey...

Neil_c

61 posts

261 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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Its about time the media addressed the issue of scameras and reported fairly and accurately.

funkyol

1,816 posts

249 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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Yes, and so what? Is anyone actually surprised at this? Being typical Brits, we'll moan about it but do nothing. Simple answer - don't speed, or invest in a Road Angel

Fire99

9,868 posts

259 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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funkyol said:
Yes, and so what? Is anyone actually surprised at this? Being typical Brits, we'll moan about it but do nothing. Simple answer - don't speed, or invest in a Road Angel


And put up with driving becoming over stressful dodging cash-cow cameras?? No the answer is us brits take a leaf out of the French book and club together and protest on mass.

That is the Simple answer..

GTRene

22,656 posts

254 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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Ofcorse we don't like them, red light camera's are ok me thinks..thats prooven, but the others are cash flow for teh state...but when they leaved it only by that, they also give you UK people points on your license! now thats stupid and dangerous! because a lot of people just drive without license afterthat and without ensurance! you don't want that and only creates dangerous driving!! because those people will run off at high speeds when spotting police...very dangerous! just a money penalty is bad anough driving fast at some points tells nothing about a persons bad? driving skills! and you will always keep stupid or dangerous drivers even if you give more rules!! you only realy hurt the good members that try to drive relaxt and looking on the way not all the time at the speedo or scamera's or vans or other points...we have to relax or have joy a bit in live because of all the stress in the world, don't take this resort away by more rules or nanny behavior!
GTRene

covert ops

66 posts

245 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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Fire99 said:
funkyol said:
Yes, and so what? Is anyone actually surprised at this? Being typical Brits, we'll moan about it but do nothing. Simple answer - don't speed, or invest in a Road Angel


And put up with driving becoming over stressful dodging cash-cow cameras?? No the answer is us brits take a leaf out of the French book and club together and protest on mass.

That is the Simple answer..


SCAMERAS - Sums it all up really

If it ever happens count me in..... can we protest at the ridiculously low speed limits popping up everywhere as well. (please!!)
Like others i'm totally frustrated with talk and no action!! Please lets do something!!

Andy

john_r

8,354 posts

301 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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Fire99 said:
funkyol said:
Yes, and so what? Is anyone actually surprised at this? Being typical Brits, we'll moan about it but do nothing. Simple answer - don't speed, or invest in a Road Angel


And put up with driving becoming over stressful dodging cash-cow cameras?? No the answer is us brits take a leaf out of the French book and club together and protest on mass.

That is the Simple answer..


Tend to agree with 'Fire'. As per my post last week, the government in this country can do what it likes to whoever it likes because typical Brits never do a thing, and even when we do we still vote the cs back into office! Millions demonstrated against Iraq, Poll Tax and the Hunting Ban and what happened? Successive governments just ignored the majority and massaged the statistics for the media to get what they wanted.

Britain is all about promoting minority views and until one of our joke political parties grows a spine and decides that the majority just might have a fing point and a few rights, then we'll continue to bend over and take it where it hurts!

My post last week about our unfair taxes and speed camers detectors generated a response from a PH member along the lines of: "aren't you (me) worried that by saying what you think that the police or intelligence community might see it?" But of course Britain is not a police state is it? rolleyes

Edited by john_r on Monday 16th October 12:04

funkyol

1,816 posts

249 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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Fire99 said:
funkyol said:
Yes, and so what? Is anyone actually surprised at this? Being typical Brits, we'll moan about it but do nothing. Simple answer - don't speed, or invest in a Road Angel


And put up with driving becoming over stressful dodging cash-cow cameras?? No the answer is us brits take a leaf out of the French book and club together and protest on mass.

That is the Simple answer..


Yes, but my point is that we won't. We'll sit on car forums and moan about it, we'll write about it and moan in hte press, but as others have also said, nothing will change.

Shadytree

8,291 posts

279 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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BARSTARDS !!!!!!!!!!!

rolleyes

No surprise of course, just frustrating reading about it banghead


Edited by Shadytree on Monday 16th October 12:08

Al 450

1,390 posts

251 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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Busted... I've noticed recently though that the ball is rolling in the right direction. Hopefully soon we will reach critical mass and the Tories will pick up on this as a vote winner.

pakrat

27 posts

261 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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See the Sun's on the case (page 8 today). Now's the time for a protest, count me in.

Linus27

152 posts

242 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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Yes I to would like to protest so count me in. Lets do something about this.

lxtwin

25 posts

248 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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I guess that Blair / Labour, want to say that they have a successful government. Look at at what they have given us.

A War with anyone that the US hates.
A wrecked NHS and School system.
A “hate” the car driver, but let the real criminal go policy.

Plus a lot more..............

Al 450

1,390 posts

251 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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Linus27 said:
Yes I to would like to protest so count me in. Lets do something about this.


Your best first step is to join Safespeed and support their work.

[url]www.safespeed.org.uk/join.html[/url]

kieran2006

5,987 posts

243 months

Monday 16th October 2006
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vomit