Are Talivans Run by Civillians?
Discussion
I spotted the South Yorkshire Talivan out on the road probably between jobs. The driver (male) had a white shirt & multi-coloured tie. Passenger (female) was dressed in casual clothes. Make of that what you will.
It was reported recently in one local paper that the running of the South Yorkshire gatsos & truvelos had been handed to civilians. The county's cameras were inoperative for many weeks last year whilst personnel were trained and control handed to them.
One interesting point about many of the truvelo installations in S.Yorks: A large percentage of them do not have the three white speed check lines painted on the road which makes you wonder if they're operational.
magellan
It was reported recently in one local paper that the running of the South Yorkshire gatsos & truvelos had been handed to civilians. The county's cameras were inoperative for many weeks last year whilst personnel were trained and control handed to them.
One interesting point about many of the truvelo installations in S.Yorks: A large percentage of them do not have the three white speed check lines painted on the road which makes you wonder if they're operational.
magellan
I thought the whole point of Truvelo was that it used piezo sensors a known distance apart (rather that a RADAR / LASER source) to measure speed, consequently they don't need any calibration marks for the photos.
magellan said:One interesting point about many of the truvelo installations in S.Yorks: A large percentage of them do not have the three white speed check lines painted on the road which makes you wonder if they're operational.
magellan
Hello all,
I am a police officer (not traffic) and from my experience the mobile speed cameras are manned by non police staff. There are other vans in existence (we have them in Bristol) which are not speed cameras but ANPR, (Automatic number plate recognition). These are similar to an instant pnc check and can reveal whether the vehicle is stolen or has other interesting crime related reports (ram raids, drive offs etc).
Personally I couldn't think of anything more boring than sitting in a van all day pointing a camera at people.
Hope it helps a bit.
Mike
I am a police officer (not traffic) and from my experience the mobile speed cameras are manned by non police staff. There are other vans in existence (we have them in Bristol) which are not speed cameras but ANPR, (Automatic number plate recognition). These are similar to an instant pnc check and can reveal whether the vehicle is stolen or has other interesting crime related reports (ram raids, drive offs etc).
Personally I couldn't think of anything more boring than sitting in a van all day pointing a camera at people.
Hope it helps a bit.
Mike
regmolehusband said: I think we should start a campaign of giving a loud PARRRRRPPP as we pass them, especially if they have their window openThis would eventually become quite intimidating and they'd begin to hate the job.
I will certainly do so as they start to appear in Shropshire.
Yes a national campaign is required. Isn't this what ended a trial of scameras in Hawaii recently - constant abuse etc?
If they are civvies then I assume they can 'only' nick you for speeding? - so giving'em the 'bird' is OK then? as is having a 'flip' plate etc.
Careful with giving the bird to these brainwashed morons.
I'm pretty sure there is some charge out there that can be interpreted to include "conduct likely to upset a government lacky whilst carrying out government business".
DAZ
PS - Police with hand held laser gun 1.5 miles west of Jcn 15 of the M4 covering the westbound carriageway on sunday morning. Low traffic volume drivers making sensible progress (bar breaking the limit). A shame they can't concentrate on the other 93% causes of accidents such as checking if drivers are tired etc...... and thus have an effect on accident statistics rather than merely covering the costs of them being there.
Edited to say Mikes experience concurs with my understanding that the Avon and Somerset Scamera Partnership Talivan operatives are civilians, although don't be fooled, these civilians are still government bootboys.
>> Edited by dazren on Monday 24th March 23:36
I'm pretty sure there is some charge out there that can be interpreted to include "conduct likely to upset a government lacky whilst carrying out government business".
DAZ
PS - Police with hand held laser gun 1.5 miles west of Jcn 15 of the M4 covering the westbound carriageway on sunday morning. Low traffic volume drivers making sensible progress (bar breaking the limit). A shame they can't concentrate on the other 93% causes of accidents such as checking if drivers are tired etc...... and thus have an effect on accident statistics rather than merely covering the costs of them being there.
Edited to say Mikes experience concurs with my understanding that the Avon and Somerset Scamera Partnership Talivan operatives are civilians, although don't be fooled, these civilians are still government bootboys.
>> Edited by dazren on Monday 24th March 23:36
mike buley said:There are other vans in existence (we have them in Bristol) which are not speed cameras but ANPR, (Automatic number plate recognition). These are similar to an instant pnc check and can reveal whether the vehicle is stolen or has other interesting crime related reports (ram raids, drive offs etc).
Why are there not more of these vans? They are so much more useful than speed scamera vans are they not?
This just goes to show just the extent to which us motorists are being percecuted against.
Can you imagine if, say 50% of all scamera vans were turned into vans that could check registration details? Stolen cars will lead the Police to other criminals, solve other crimes that the thief is most probably committing and be generally be a hell of a better use of our taxes.
Of course a stolen car does not net the police £60 everytime one drives past does it?!
bobthebench said: Usually staffed by civilians employed by the police. They now admitted they are losing the propaganda war, so hire civilians, call them safety partnerships, and think we are all fooled.
If it smells like bacon and goes oink,oink, don't be fooled by the logo !!!
Bob It sounds, Like you getting ready to defect too the dark side.
LoL >> Edited by outlaw on Tuesday 25th March 03:08
regmolehusband said: I think we should start a campaign of giving a loud PARRRRRPPP as we pass them, especially if they have their window open This would eventually become quite intimidating and they'd begin to hate the job.
I will certainly do so as they start to appear in Shropshire.
How about bombarding your local councillors / MP writing letters, pointing out the stupidity in the way that these scamera partnerships are run? If enough people pester them they will have to take notice.
jesusbuiltmycar said:
How about bombarding your local councillors / MP writing letters, pointing out the stupidity in the way that these scamera partnerships are run? If enough people pester them they will have to take notice.
The problem is that they do just that. They write in to their local papers and to the local council complaining vehemently about the speed of traffic through the locality they live in.
People do not want fast traffic in areas where they live!
The councils react by imposing restrictions and monitor behaviour through Archer systems etc to find out, then they enforce through the Police and Safety partnerships. That passifies those that write in and complain about the local speed problem because it is sorted.
What then happens is that when the complaining residents are caught themselves for exceeding the limits in the areas they have complained about, they then complain that the Police are not reacting to more serious crime and spend too much money on catching law abiding motorists
What people mean when they complain to MPs and local authorities about speeding behaviour on the roads, is
make everybody else comply but do not touch me!
The problem is that motorists and residents (who are motorists) want to have their cake and eat it. There is no simple solution other than to slow down in areas where there are strictly imposed limits. Until that happens, motorists will continue to be fined for their behaviour and residents will continue to be angered by speeding vehicles. Also Police spending more effort in controlling this problem than the complainers perceive they should be doing will allow the freed up resources to concentrate on more serious stuff.
>> Edited by madcop on Tuesday 25th March 11:39
Well if they can ignore the complainants when car destroying speedbumps, and massively dangerous pinch points arer installed*, why can't they do it when NIMBY twats are writing to complain that in their distinctly amateutr opinion, people are driving too fast round their environs?
Either pay attention to all of us, but FFS don't listen to the NIMBYs if you're not going to listen to any other voice of reason!
* Two years ago, round the corner from me in Hatch Warren, a pinch point was installed on a bend where onward visibility was severely limited. To say that this is a dangerous position to put this piece o shit is an understatement, if you approach it and the way looks clear, planting your foot is the only way to get thru - maintain a steady 30 and you're guaranteed to face an oncoming car when you'er half way thru the thing.
The council been saying they'll take it out for nearly 12 months now and it hasn't happened yet. Do I have to run children over to get anything done FFS?
Either pay attention to all of us, but FFS don't listen to the NIMBYs if you're not going to listen to any other voice of reason!
* Two years ago, round the corner from me in Hatch Warren, a pinch point was installed on a bend where onward visibility was severely limited. To say that this is a dangerous position to put this piece o shit is an understatement, if you approach it and the way looks clear, planting your foot is the only way to get thru - maintain a steady 30 and you're guaranteed to face an oncoming car when you'er half way thru the thing.
The council been saying they'll take it out for nearly 12 months now and it hasn't happened yet. Do I have to run children over to get anything done FFS?
I have absolutely no problem with enforcing speed limits in residential areas, and I couldn't care less who does it.
I do have a problem with the choices of sites for Talivans in the Bournemouth area. I have yet to see one in a residential road, in my experience I have only ever seen them cunningly placed where they will generate maximum revenue. Here are 2 examples:
The Wessex Way in Bournemouth used to be National speed limit for the whole length. Now some sections have been reduced to 50MPH. The Talivan usually sits at the bottom of the slope, after the flyover, just before the National Speed Limit sign. This is definitely not a residential area! but it serves as an excellent choice to maximise revenue.
There is another section of Dual carriageway in the Bournemouth area that has a 40MPH speed limit. This is another favorite of the local Talivan.
If we have to have a nanny state, with speed limits rigoursly enforced, surely the public would be better served if the Talivan patrolled roads near schools??
I do have a problem with the choices of sites for Talivans in the Bournemouth area. I have yet to see one in a residential road, in my experience I have only ever seen them cunningly placed where they will generate maximum revenue. Here are 2 examples:
The Wessex Way in Bournemouth used to be National speed limit for the whole length. Now some sections have been reduced to 50MPH. The Talivan usually sits at the bottom of the slope, after the flyover, just before the National Speed Limit sign. This is definitely not a residential area! but it serves as an excellent choice to maximise revenue.
There is another section of Dual carriageway in the Bournemouth area that has a 40MPH speed limit. This is another favorite of the local Talivan.
If we have to have a nanny state, with speed limits rigoursly enforced, surely the public would be better served if the Talivan patrolled roads near schools??
well It gos like this. the parents let the wite trash out to play with the cars as soon as they can walk.
one finaly gets splated. Then come the cccreaming there going to fast by the same mother that leted run around in the middel of the road before there out of dippers.
bit later speed humps fited.
as a experiment I found the least painfull way to go over em round here at about 80 dont feel a thing at lift off. I wouldent advise it in a nice car.
one finaly gets splated. Then come the cccreaming there going to fast by the same mother that leted run around in the middel of the road before there out of dippers.
bit later speed humps fited.
as a experiment I found the least painfull way to go over em round here at about 80 dont feel a thing at lift off. I wouldent advise it in a nice car.
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