Neighbours don't have RFL on either car...what to do?
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Want some advice.
One of our neighbours is clearly ignoring certain taxes on his cars - neither has had any RFL for nearly a year (one for over a year, although it hasn't moved for >6 months). At first thought it was just the static car and let it go, but now realised it's his other one as well.
Both are on-road (so SORN not possible for the static), they have a garage and some hardstanding at the back of their back-garden they COULD use for the static car (OLD tatty Mondeo, badly parked too, making life quite difficult now in our street as there's a space less 'cause of how he's parked, plus that car just sitting there not moving).
Now I know the chap quite well, he's a nice enough guy, but my concern is: If he's not bothered with tax on either car:-
- has he got insurance?!?
- has either car got an MOT? The one he still uses is an M-plate Celica, so not the newest of machines...
So...what should I do? If it's just tax then IMHO it's not a massive deal and it's his lookout if he gets caught, but from what I understand no tax is often just the visible sign of the other points above. And to my mind driving without insurance or MOT is not on. Not sure I want to confront him direct as don't know for certain how he'd react, and I'm fairly sure his wife would kick-off (she's a volatile sort, and we've the nicest cars in the street...).
But do I go to the police about a neighbour who MIGHT just be skimping on RFL, or who may even just have forgotten to swap the disc over (I did once for about 2 weeks - found it amongst some paperwork!) on the driven car?
One of our neighbours is clearly ignoring certain taxes on his cars - neither has had any RFL for nearly a year (one for over a year, although it hasn't moved for >6 months). At first thought it was just the static car and let it go, but now realised it's his other one as well.
Both are on-road (so SORN not possible for the static), they have a garage and some hardstanding at the back of their back-garden they COULD use for the static car (OLD tatty Mondeo, badly parked too, making life quite difficult now in our street as there's a space less 'cause of how he's parked, plus that car just sitting there not moving).
Now I know the chap quite well, he's a nice enough guy, but my concern is: If he's not bothered with tax on either car:-
- has he got insurance?!?
- has either car got an MOT? The one he still uses is an M-plate Celica, so not the newest of machines...
So...what should I do? If it's just tax then IMHO it's not a massive deal and it's his lookout if he gets caught, but from what I understand no tax is often just the visible sign of the other points above. And to my mind driving without insurance or MOT is not on. Not sure I want to confront him direct as don't know for certain how he'd react, and I'm fairly sure his wife would kick-off (she's a volatile sort, and we've the nicest cars in the street...).
But do I go to the police about a neighbour who MIGHT just be skimping on RFL, or who may even just have forgotten to swap the disc over (I did once for about 2 weeks - found it amongst some paperwork!) on the driven car?
Well if tyhe tax has been out for over a year then no, he doesn't have insurance. And if you tax expires your insurance is invalid anyway.
Personally I would report him on the quiet. You could have a word in his ear politely but if he doesn't listen and then gets reported you will be blamed as the only person he knows who mentioned it.
Go ahead and make the call.
Personally I would report him on the quiet. You could have a word in his ear politely but if he doesn't listen and then gets reported you will be blamed as the only person he knows who mentioned it.
Go ahead and make the call.
Civpilot said:
Well if tyhe tax has been out for over a year then no, he doesn't have insurance. And if you tax expires your insurance is invalid anyway.
Is this true?Does a car have to be taxed to be insured? (I know it has to be insured to be taxed).If I SORN my car does that invalidate the insurance?
Mr E said:
Offtopic warning....
M-plate Celica, so not the newest of machines...
Oi. My baby is about 8 months more recent than that and sails through the MOT (usually....)
Back on topic.
havoc said:
M-plate Celica, so not the newest of machines...
Oi. My baby is about 8 months more recent than that and sails through the MOT (usually....)
Back on topic.
Hey, I'm a Jap-fan, I know how reliable they tend to be. But I equally know that older cars DO have stuff fail...and he got his cheap because it's high-mileage.
But I guess the consensus is a quiet call to the Bill. I sort of knew that anyway, but when it's a neighbour (and a good one) not a stranger you do sort of pause, don't you.
esselte said:
Civpilot said:
Well if tyhe tax has been out for over a year then no, he doesn't have insurance. And if you tax expires your insurance is invalid anyway.
Is this true?Does a car have to be taxed to be insured? (I know it has to be insured to be taxed).If I SORN my car does that invalidate the insurance?
No it certainly isn't true.
I certainly wouldn't start a war with a neighbour over tax.
I would risk starting a war with a neighbour over uninsured driving.
I hate this 'big brother', '1984' effect where we're all drifting into being policemen against our fellow citizens. MUCH caution is required at all levels before we sleepwalk into a society that we hate.
I would risk starting a war with a neighbour over uninsured driving.
I hate this 'big brother', '1984' effect where we're all drifting into being policemen against our fellow citizens. MUCH caution is required at all levels before we sleepwalk into a society that we hate.
safespeed said:
esselte said:
Civpilot said:
Well if tyhe tax has been out for over a year then no, he doesn't have insurance. And if you tax expires your insurance is invalid anyway.
Is this true?Does a car have to be taxed to be insured? (I know it has to be insured to be taxed).If I SORN my car does that invalidate the insurance?
No it certainly isn't true.
Didn't think so.
safespeed said:
I certainly wouldn't start a war with a neighbour over tax.
I would risk starting a war with a neighbour over uninsured driving.
I hate this 'big brother', '1984' effect where we're all drifting into being policemen against our fellow citizens. MUCH caution is required at all levels before we sleepwalk into a society that we hate.
I would risk starting a war with a neighbour over uninsured driving.
I hate this 'big brother', '1984' effect where we're all drifting into being policemen against our fellow citizens. MUCH caution is required at all levels before we sleepwalk into a society that we hate.
More eloquent way of putting my personal thoughts. It was the 'insurance' thing that prompted this thread, but I've no way of knowing...
safespeed said:
I hate this 'big brother', '1984' effect where we're all drifting into being policemen against our fellow citizens. MUCH caution is required at all levels before we sleepwalk into a society that we hate.
Thats as maybe, but FFS we're all subsidising this bastard. Doesn't it piss you off in the slightest that we're paying the thick end of up to 200 sheets a year for the privilege and for some unknown reason, he chooses not to?
Paul, you do a bloody good job mate, but I sincerely hope this bloke doesn't drive into you tonight.
GregE240 said:
safespeed said:
I hate this 'big brother', '1984' effect where we're all drifting into being policemen against our fellow citizens. MUCH caution is required at all levels before we sleepwalk into a society that we hate.
Thats as maybe, but FFS we're all subsidising this bastard. Doesn't it piss you off in the slightest that we're paying the thick end of up to 200 sheets a year for the privilege and for some unknown reason, he chooses not to?
Paul, you do a bloody good job mate, but I sincerely hope this bloke doesn't drive into you tonight.
I agree with you. The tax thing is annoying.
But the sort of society that we end up living in is much more important. And I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling that it's getting massively worse. Is worrying about your neighbour's tax part of the problem? If it is, it's certainly at the thin end of the wedge. But if it IS at the thin end of the wedge (and I think it is) we should be very careful.
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