Guess what will happen to the perp in this case.......
Discussion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/te
TEXT
An ambulance was stolen and badly damaged while paramedics were answering an emergency call on Teesside.
A passer-by called police after spotting a man had jumped into the driver's seat of the vehicle in the Ormesby area of Middlesbrough.
Officers traced the ambulance after 10 minutes via its on-board tracking device. A 19-year-old man was arrested.
The vehicle was badly damaged and is unlikely to return to service, said the North East Ambulance Service (NEAS).
/TEXT
<RANT>
How much does an ambulance cost? £50,000.
Why should the taxpayer have to pay for a replacement?
If this takes a while to replace the ambulance and people
die as a result of a missing ambulance, could relatives sue the scrote?
Take the money from said scrote's (no doubt) weekly benefit payment.
In fact take ALL of his money, and when he bleats point out that he had
a choice - and he made it.
People have to be RESPONSIBLE for their actions, ffs!!!!!!!!!
</RANT>
Steve
TEXT
An ambulance was stolen and badly damaged while paramedics were answering an emergency call on Teesside.
A passer-by called police after spotting a man had jumped into the driver's seat of the vehicle in the Ormesby area of Middlesbrough.
Officers traced the ambulance after 10 minutes via its on-board tracking device. A 19-year-old man was arrested.
The vehicle was badly damaged and is unlikely to return to service, said the North East Ambulance Service (NEAS).
/TEXT
<RANT>
How much does an ambulance cost? £50,000.
Why should the taxpayer have to pay for a replacement?
If this takes a while to replace the ambulance and people
die as a result of a missing ambulance, could relatives sue the scrote?
Take the money from said scrote's (no doubt) weekly benefit payment.
In fact take ALL of his money, and when he bleats point out that he had
a choice - and he made it.
People have to be RESPONSIBLE for their actions, ffs!!!!!!!!!
</RANT>
Steve
The North East has an ever growing reputation for attacks on the Emergency Service and their vehicles.
Just wondering how the vehicle came to be left insecure with keys in??????? This point is being carefully avoided by the media in their reports.
dvd
Just wondering how the vehicle came to be left insecure with keys in??????? This point is being carefully avoided by the media in their reports.
dvd
Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Friday 9th February 15:12
Dwight VanDriver said:
The North East has an ever growing reputation for attacks on the Emergency Service and their vehicles.
Just wondering how the vehicle came to be left insecure with keys in??????? This point is being carefully avoided by the media in their reports.
dvd
Just wondering how the vehicle came to be left insecure with keys in??????? This point is being carefully avoided by the media in their reports.
dvd
Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Friday 9th February 15:12
Maybe, just maybe the crew were attending an emergency call requiring immediate frequent access to the medical equipment inside without the time delays incurred in securing it, as they provided urgent medical attention to someone in need?
shouldbworking said:
Dwight VanDriver said:
The North East has an ever growing reputation for attacks on the Emergency Service and their vehicles.
Just wondering how the vehicle came to be left insecure with keys in??????? This point is being carefully avoided by the media in their reports.
dvd
Just wondering how the vehicle came to be left insecure with keys in??????? This point is being carefully avoided by the media in their reports.
dvd
Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Friday 9th February 15:12
Maybe, just maybe the crew were attending an emergency call requiring immediate frequent access to the medical equipment inside without the time delays incurred in securing it, as they provided urgent medical attention to someone in need?
No excuse. Keys should not have been left in the ignition when the vehicle was unattended, as suggested here.
ipsg.glf said:
shouldbworking said:
Dwight VanDriver said:
The North East has an ever growing reputation for attacks on the Emergency Service and their vehicles.
Just wondering how the vehicle came to be left insecure with keys in??????? This point is being carefully avoided by the media in their reports.
dvd
Just wondering how the vehicle came to be left insecure with keys in??????? This point is being carefully avoided by the media in their reports.
dvd
Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Friday 9th February 15:12
Maybe, just maybe the crew were attending an emergency call requiring immediate frequent access to the medical equipment inside without the time delays incurred in securing it, as they provided urgent medical attention to someone in need?
No excuse. Keys should not have been left in the ignition when the vehicle was unattended, as suggested here.
Well I see what you mean in one sense, but the rescue services should be immune from criminals. It's coming to something when even ambulances are liable to theft. A thief in this case could actually be guilty of manslaughter if their action results in vital equipment being unavailable to the crew. If this were the case I hope they would get more than community service.....
bleesh said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/te
TEXT
An ambulance was stolen and badly damaged while paramedics were answering an emergency call on Teesside.
A passer-by called police after spotting a man had jumped into the driver's seat of the vehicle in the Ormesby area of Middlesbrough.
Officers traced the ambulance after 10 minutes via its on-board tracking device. A 19-year-old man was arrested.
The vehicle was badly damaged and is unlikely to return to service, said the North East Ambulance Service (NEAS).
/TEXT
<RANT>
How much does an ambulance cost? £50,000.
Why should the taxpayer have to pay for a replacement?
If this takes a while to replace the ambulance and people
die as a result of a missing ambulance, could relatives sue the scrote?
Take the money from said scrote's (no doubt) weekly benefit payment.
In fact take ALL of his money, and when he bleats point out that he had
a choice - and he made it.
People have to be RESPONSIBLE for their actions, ffs!!!!!!!!!
</RANT>
Steve
TEXT
An ambulance was stolen and badly damaged while paramedics were answering an emergency call on Teesside.
A passer-by called police after spotting a man had jumped into the driver's seat of the vehicle in the Ormesby area of Middlesbrough.
Officers traced the ambulance after 10 minutes via its on-board tracking device. A 19-year-old man was arrested.
The vehicle was badly damaged and is unlikely to return to service, said the North East Ambulance Service (NEAS).
/TEXT
<RANT>
How much does an ambulance cost? £50,000.
Why should the taxpayer have to pay for a replacement?
If this takes a while to replace the ambulance and people
die as a result of a missing ambulance, could relatives sue the scrote?
Take the money from said scrote's (no doubt) weekly benefit payment.
In fact take ALL of his money, and when he bleats point out that he had
a choice - and he made it.
People have to be RESPONSIBLE for their actions, ffs!!!!!!!!!
</RANT>
Steve
He'll get done. He must've been speeding....
Edited by nobleguy on Friday 9th February 17:02
ipsg.glf said:
No excuse. Keys should not have been left in the ignition when the vehicle was unattended, as suggested here.
Yes, I do agree with you. However, stealing a meat wagon is a pretty low thing to do. Same as hurling rocks at the water faeries and plod. String the git up by his gonads and let Chin from Lethal Weapon 3 play with the fecker.
ipsg.glf said:
No excuse. Keys should not have been left in the ignition when the vehicle was unattended, as suggested here.
You are kidding right?
Have you considered that, as a society, we ought to be able to leave things like ambulances with keys in the ignition, on the principle that someone wouldn't fecking nick and ambulance.
Too much feckin worry about the scrotes IMHO, we ought to worry about fair and right minded people first. The thief needs 30 lashes, every month, to remind him of that fact I think.
jasandjules said:
ipsg.glf said:
No excuse. Keys should not have been left in the ignition when the vehicle was unattended, as suggested here.
You are kidding right?
Have you considered that, as a society, we ought to be able to leave things like ambulances with keys in the ignition, on the principle that someone wouldn't fecking nick and ambulance.
Too much feckin worry about the scrotes IMHO, we ought to worry about fair and right minded people first. The thief needs 30 lashes, every month, to remind him of that fact I think.
- Streaky This is in no way intended to incite people to take such action, other than where permitted by local legislation.
jasandjules said:
ipsg.glf said:
No excuse. Keys should not have been left in the ignition when the vehicle was unattended, as suggested here.
You are kidding right?
Have you considered that, as a society, we ought to be able to leave things like ambulances with keys in the ignition, on the principle that someone wouldn't fecking nick and ambulance.
Too much feckin worry about the scrotes IMHO, we ought to worry about fair and right minded people first. The thief needs 30 lashes, every month, to remind him of that fact I think.
ipsg.glf - I would go so far as to say that leaving the keys in was negligent, given that the ambulance may have (although possibly not, I don't know!) contained controlled drugs, or at least some drugs that certain elements of society may want.
jasandjules - have you considered that as a society we ought to be able to leave things like cars, bags, houses, on the principle that someone wouldn't fecking nick them?
If there is any natural justice in this world, there will come a day when "scrote" has a heart attacl, or a drugs overdose, or a serious car accident - and the Ambulance won't be able to save him because another scrote has nicked it .
Like you say, if he has to surrender every penny of his salary/benefit for the rest of his life to repay the cost of the damage caused, it still won't be enough.
Like you say, if he has to surrender every penny of his salary/benefit for the rest of his life to repay the cost of the damage caused, it still won't be enough.
ipsg.glf said:
No excuse. Keys should not have been left in the ignition when the vehicle was unattended, as suggested here.
You have GOT to be joking!!!
So are you saying the 'scrote' was justified in taking a piece of very expensive life saving equipment because the keys were in it!?!?!?!
Big Rod said:
ipsg.glf said:
No excuse. Keys should not have been left in the ignition when the vehicle was unattended, as suggested here.
You have GOT to be joking!!!
So are you saying the 'scrote' was justified in taking a piece of very expensive life saving equipment because the keys were in it!?!?!?!
No, but the driver should have made sure that the keys were removed and the vehicle parked in a non-dangerous way.
Not saying it's the drivers fault, but it's part of the "not putting yourself at risk when treating others" thing.
The guy who stole the ambulance is a cock, clearly, and needs to be dealt with properly, but this was an avoidable incident that could have cost a life (or more).
OK, I'm maybe being idealistic, and a bit pedantic, and I'm not rying to start a fight but IMO there should have been no risk in the first place.
Sorry for splitting hairs, but the drivers prime concern was whatever incident he was dealing with and not to be perpetually looking over his shoulder.
Remove the 'scrotes' from the gene pool and the rest of us can get on with our lives in peace!!
(Now if I call my house 'Texas', do you think I could adopt their laws?)
Sorry for splitting hairs, but the drivers prime concern was whatever incident he was dealing with and not to be perpetually looking over his shoulder.
Remove the 'scrotes' from the gene pool and the rest of us can get on with our lives in peace!!
(Now if I call my house 'Texas', do you think I could adopt their laws?)
guam said:
tigger1 said:
Big Rod said:
ipsg.glf said:
No excuse. Keys should not have been left in the ignition when the vehicle was unattended, as suggested here.
You have GOT to be joking!!!
So are you saying the 'scrote' was justified in taking a piece of very expensive life saving equipment because the keys were in it!?!?!?!
No, but the driver should have made sure that the keys were removed and the vehicle parked in a non-dangerous way.
Not saying it's the drivers fault, but it's part of the "not putting yourself at risk when treating others" thing.
The guy who stole the ambulance is a cock, clearly, and needs to be dealt with properly, but this was an avoidable incident that could have cost a life (or more).
For crying out loud this is exactly the kind of thinking that has everyone in the medical proffession petrified to take a risk to save someones life because they may get sued.
Picture this; paramedic called to scene, patients heart stopped for two minutes 50 seconds, well blue foaming at mouth, relatives in tears! maybe 10-20 secs to jump start the patient to avoid brain damage, comment made, "hang on I just have to lock the meat wagon up", due to delay patient is semi vegetable, if recovered at all.
I don't suppose any family is going to find a no win no fee merchant, to sue the paramedic due to his "appaling sense of priorities" ? Seems to me, that as usual the poor suckers that have to man the barricades, would be in a no win situation here or am I missing something????
Cheers
Removing the keys from the ignition as you get out of the van takes approximately zero time. It would take much longer to get the patient to hospital with no ambulance.
Herewego - we should NOT change society's priorities in response to criminals. We should weight the punishments to change criminals' actions! After all, the Justice system SHOULD act as a deterrent (doesn't at the moment, but should). A key example being:-
Which, while perhaps extreme (and the Jo'burg example even more so), DOES demonstrate the fact that the UK suffers far more with low-level crime (burglary, mugging, car theft, vandalism etc.) because we are a SOFT TOUCH on that sort of crime.
Changing the laws on self-defence to favour the initial victim (and hence perhaps NOT the final victim) may well deter some of this (a friend's neighbour has a sign on the door "House guarded by shotgun 2 nights out of 3. You guess which nights!", and appropriate sentencing (accompanied by enough spaces in non-holiday camp prisons) would probably deter much of the rest.
streaky said:
I am reminded of what an American (Texan, actually) colleague said when we were wandering round the Spanish Riverwalk in San Antonio. I remarked on the number of jackets with wallets left unattended on chair-backs in the outdoor dining areas, the expensive cameras and handbags left on tables, and commented that they would disappear in the blink of an eye in similar circumstances in the UK. His response was illuminating ... "Ah, but we shoot crooks in Texas!".
Which, while perhaps extreme (and the Jo'burg example even more so), DOES demonstrate the fact that the UK suffers far more with low-level crime (burglary, mugging, car theft, vandalism etc.) because we are a SOFT TOUCH on that sort of crime.
Changing the laws on self-defence to favour the initial victim (and hence perhaps NOT the final victim) may well deter some of this (a friend's neighbour has a sign on the door "House guarded by shotgun 2 nights out of 3. You guess which nights!"
, and appropriate sentencing (accompanied by enough spaces in non-holiday camp prisons) would probably deter much of the rest.havoc said:
Herewego - we should NOT change society's priorities in response to criminals. We should weight the punishments to change criminals' actions! After all, the Justice system SHOULD act as a deterrent (doesn't at the moment, but should). A key example being:-
Which, while perhaps extreme (and the Jo'burg example even more so), DOES demonstrate the fact that the UK suffers far more with low-level crime (burglary, mugging, car theft, vandalism etc.) because we are a SOFT TOUCH on that sort of crime.
Changing the laws on self-defence to favour the initial victim (and hence perhaps NOT the final victim) may well deter some of this (a friend's neighbour has a sign on the door "House guarded by shotgun 2 nights out of 3. You guess which nights!", and appropriate sentencing (accompanied by enough spaces in non-holiday camp prisons) would probably deter much of the rest.
streaky said:
I am reminded of what an American (Texan, actually) colleague said when we were wandering round the Spanish Riverwalk in San Antonio. I remarked on the number of jackets with wallets left unattended on chair-backs in the outdoor dining areas, the expensive cameras and handbags left on tables, and commented that they would disappear in the blink of an eye in similar circumstances in the UK. His response was illuminating ... "Ah, but we shoot crooks in Texas!".
Which, while perhaps extreme (and the Jo'burg example even more so), DOES demonstrate the fact that the UK suffers far more with low-level crime (burglary, mugging, car theft, vandalism etc.) because we are a SOFT TOUCH on that sort of crime.
Changing the laws on self-defence to favour the initial victim (and hence perhaps NOT the final victim) may well deter some of this (a friend's neighbour has a sign on the door "House guarded by shotgun 2 nights out of 3. You guess which nights!"
, and appropriate sentencing (accompanied by enough spaces in non-holiday camp prisons) would probably deter much of the rest.Well I suppose we could give guns to paramedics to protect the ambulance, or alternatively they can just take the key with them since it takes no extra time to do that and provides the same protection. Shooting thieves in Texas must keep crime to a low level so I suppose they have to lockup fewer people huh.
tigger1 said:
jasandjules - have you considered that as a society we ought to be able to leave things like cars, bags, houses, on the principle that someone wouldn't fecking nick them?
Yes, that is also in line with my comments...We ought to be able to leave front doors open, and wallets on tables in diners etc.. without thinking they will be stolen. To say it is the fault of the person who leaves something there is bollox, it is the fault quite simply of the piece of dirt who believes they can take something that doesn't belong to them. Once we have the stocks back and weekly whippings of thieves in the public squares, we MIGHT get a chance to get our society back from the scum, but whilst people apologise for these low life subhumans, we don't stand much of a chance.
The person who thinks that an ambulance driver ought to stop, lock up the vehicle etc. rather than rush in and help the injured person is a fool, not to mention that when it comes to getting the possibly seriously injured person back into the ambulance, the few seconds to unlock the doors and start the ambulance etc.. COULD be the difference between life and death.
Is anyone local to the incident (Tees area) and if so can they furnish us with any
updated - a bit of an annoyance that you see stories like this and then
due to the feeble justice system it may be MONTHS before it comes
to court but which time people have forgotten about it.
Also I guarantee the BBC Tees sub-site won't have the story of
the court case.........
Steve
updated - a bit of an annoyance that you see stories like this and then
due to the feeble justice system it may be MONTHS before it comes
to court but which time people have forgotten about it.
Also I guarantee the BBC Tees sub-site won't have the story of
the court case.........
Steve
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