Unsigned NIP question
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Just to make things clear. I send the NIP back unsigned but with driver details filled in. What plea do I enter - Guilty or Not Guilty and elect to go to court?
What if the camera identifies me as the driver, truvelo et al ... Can they disregard the unsigned NIP and use this alone as evidence?
Cheers
dreadnought
What if the camera identifies me as the driver, truvelo et al ... Can they disregard the unsigned NIP and use this alone as evidence?
Cheers
dreadnought
www.pepipoo.com/Section_172.htm#Loophole
www.pepipoo.com/NewForums2/viewtopic.php?t=11
Refer to above for more info.
Apparently the loophole has not be closed.
www.pepipoo.com/NewForums2/viewtopic.php?t=11
Refer to above for more info.
Apparently the loophole has not be closed.
The loophole is definitely still open, I have a case in progress at the moment.
In answer to your question, when you get taken to court, plead not guilty. If the summons is for failing to provide details, then you simply produce the recorded delivery slip and they have they have to find you not guilty. If it's for the act of speeding itself, plead not guilty, elect not to give evidence and since they don't have any other evidence, the case is thrown out.
If the video/picture clearly identifies you as the driver though, I'd give up now, they'll simply use that in court - so you need to check that out first.
Finally, bear in mind they'll send you lots of official looking letters in order to force you to sign the NIP. Just ignore them, or respond with a few brief comments explaining that you aren't aware of any legal obligation to sign the form. If there really _was_ a legal requirement to sign it, they'd not faff about sending you nasty letters, they'd just take you to court.
EDIT - 'cos I said guilty when I meant not guilty (note to self - don't make that mistake in court)
>> Edited by FastShow on Monday 14th April 10:07
In answer to your question, when you get taken to court, plead not guilty. If the summons is for failing to provide details, then you simply produce the recorded delivery slip and they have they have to find you not guilty. If it's for the act of speeding itself, plead not guilty, elect not to give evidence and since they don't have any other evidence, the case is thrown out.
If the video/picture clearly identifies you as the driver though, I'd give up now, they'll simply use that in court - so you need to check that out first.
Finally, bear in mind they'll send you lots of official looking letters in order to force you to sign the NIP. Just ignore them, or respond with a few brief comments explaining that you aren't aware of any legal obligation to sign the form. If there really _was_ a legal requirement to sign it, they'd not faff about sending you nasty letters, they'd just take you to court.
EDIT - 'cos I said guilty when I meant not guilty (note to self - don't make that mistake in court)
>> Edited by FastShow on Monday 14th April 10:07
Finally, bear in mind they'll send you lots of official looking letters in order to force you to sign the NIP. Just ignore them, or respond with a few brief comments explaining that you aren't aware of any legal obligation to sign the form. If there really _was_ a legal requirement to sign it, they'd not faff about sending you nasty letters, they'd just take you to court.
EDIT - 'cos I said guilty when I meant not guilty (note to self - don't make that mistake in court)
>> Edited by FastShow on Monday 14th April 10:07
there handy if you forget to get bog paper when shoping.
personaly I did consider returning them after use
>> Edited by outlaw on Monday 14th April 23:54
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