Daughter caught speeding last night.
Daughter caught speeding last night.
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griff bitch

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2,187 posts

239 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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Daughter has only been driving for 2 months, and was travelling up Reigate Hill, which is a 40MPH zone which goes into a 30 for a bit and then back to a 40. Policeman jumped out from behind a bush in the 30 zone and flagged her down. She was apparently doing 40MPH. She was a bit dubious about stopping because she wasn't sure it was a policeman as he didn't have a hat on, but she did. He then went on to tell her she was doing 40 in a 30 zone, although there is no sign saying it was a 30, she argued that the stretch of road was the same as where she had just come from, with pavements and street lights, how was she to tell the difference. He then told her that she didn't have a full licence, to which she replied check on my insurance details.

I don't think this was a fair cop, she want's to go to court as she doesn't want 3 points on her licence this early. Is this a good idea?

Thanks for any advice you may be able to give.

jasandjules

72,634 posts

259 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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First thing I would do is go back and check where she was stopped, and whether or not there are 30 signs at any stage to confirm if she was speeding.

God Of Hell Fire

6 posts

236 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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Best thing to do is wait for the notice of intended
prosicution and then request any 'evidence' he can produce!
You fail to say if the plod was armed with a speed gun
or any other revenue gathering device!!

Bing o

15,184 posts

249 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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Was hse given a verbal NIP at the roadside (ie that she would be reported for te offence of...) etc?

Rob_the_Sparky

1,000 posts

268 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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You say she was doing 40 in a 30 and got done for it - I don't understand what is unfair about that. Quite probably not unsafe or in any way necessary but still 40 in a 30 is breaking the law...

motorwise

401 posts

237 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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jasandjules said:
First thing I would do is go back and check where she was stopped, and whether or not there are 30 signs at any stage to confirm if she was speeding.



anywhere road where there street lamps and no signs carry a 30mph speed limit - she's just recently passed her test so this should be fresh

griff bitch

Original Poster:

2,187 posts

239 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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motorwise said:
jasandjules said:
First thing I would do is go back and check where she was stopped, and whether or not there are 30 signs at any stage to confirm if she was speeding.



anywhere road where there street lamps and no signs carry a 30mph speed limit - she's just recently passed her test so this should be fresh


The stretch of road that is 40 has got streetlights, so has the bit that is apparently 30, with only signs to say it is 40mph how do you know it suddenly becomes 30.

motorwise

401 posts

237 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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griff bitch said:
motorwise said:
jasandjules said:
First thing I would do is go back and check where she was stopped, and whether or not there are 30 signs at any stage to confirm if she was speeding.



anywhere road where there street lamps and no signs carry a 30mph speed limit - she's just recently passed her test so this should be fresh


The stretch of road that is 40 has got streetlights, so has the bit that is apparently 30, with only signs to say it is 40mph how do you know it suddenly becomes 30.



I don't know the road have a drive down there yourself and have a look for the speed change sign

chrisgr31

14,290 posts

285 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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I know the road,although not sure which bit she got stopped on.

Coming down the hill from the M25 there are signs at the top saying its 30mph, once passed the first junction it is signed at 40, and then it reverts to 30. But as there are street lights it only needs the initial 30 warning sign and no repeaters.

Do go back and check it, as you never know the initial sign might be missing.

BliarOut

72,863 posts

269 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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Rob_the_Sparky said:
You say she was doing 40 in a 30 and got done for it - I don't understand what is unfair about that. Quite probably not unsafe or in any way necessary but still 40 in a 30 is breaking the law...

So is shooting Tony Bliar but no-one would complain if that law was broken... Would they?

fluffnik

20,156 posts

257 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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Rob_the_Sparky said:
You say she was doing 40 in a 30 and got done for it - I don't understand what is unfair about that. Quite probably not unsafe or in any way necessary but still 40 in a 30 is breaking the law...


But if the laws an arse it's your civic duty to break it.

sultanbrown

5,740 posts

261 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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fluffnik said:

But if the laws an arse it's your civic duty to break it.


bow

fluffnik

20,156 posts

257 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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BliarOut said:
Rob_the_Sparky said:
You say she was doing 40 in a 30 and got done for it - I don't understand what is unfair about that. Quite probably not unsafe or in any way necessary but still 40 in a 30 is breaking the law...

So is shooting Tony Bliar but no-one would complain if that law was broken... Would they?


You wer round at mine eating curry when it happened.

mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

241 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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sultanbrown said:
fluffnik said:

But if the laws an arse it's your civic duty to break it.


bow


How many people have to think the law in question is an arse before in your view the above applies? Or is it just down to the individual?

WildCat

8,369 posts

273 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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mr_annie_vxr said:
sultanbrown said:
fluffnik said:

But if the laws an arse it's your civic duty to break it.


bow


How many people have to think the law in question is an arse before in your view the above applies? Or is it just down to the individual?


Some laws are just plain unenforceable. I read in papers that West Yorks, GMP, und others are not enforcing the child seat law as this compromises "child's human right in being measured with a tape measure" ( ist what the police were all quoted as saying

Und the others.. we read that talking to passenger, tuning radio, looking at something other than road ahead (how does speedo check/mirror check fit in with this one yikes confused) .. all class as "d-d-d-dandgerous confused

Und how can one even prove this was going on in car..

Ach.. the black box of course... ist another reason to nono und sign that petition before too late

shouldbworking

4,801 posts

242 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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That stretch of road is signed, and the 30 section has a speed camera to boot. Her own fault imo.

herewego

8,814 posts

243 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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griff bitch said:
motorwise said:
jasandjules said:
First thing I would do is go back and check where she was stopped, and whether or not there are 30 signs at any stage to confirm if she was speeding.



anywhere road where there street lamps and no signs carry a 30mph speed limit - she's just recently passed her test so this should be fresh


The stretch of road that is 40 has got streetlights, so has the bit that is apparently 30, with only signs to say it is 40mph how do you know it suddenly becomes 30.

I suggest the pair of you go out and drive the route again. There has to be a 30 sign at the start of a 30 limit. In fact I think there has to be one on each side of the road.

vladd

8,201 posts

295 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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Check the road, make sure there is no 30 sign where she was caught.

Then, throw herself on the mercy of a judge. Inexperience meant she didn't realise that it had gone from 40 to 30, she was REALLY trying to drive the best that she could. Points would cause years of insurance premium hikes so if he could pass on the points, give her a fine, then she'll go back, study the highway code and try a lot harder from now on.

fluffnik

20,156 posts

257 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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mr_annie_vxr said:
sultanbrown said:
fluffnik said:

But if the laws an arse it's your civic duty to break it.


bow


How many people have to think the law in question is an arse before in your view the above applies? Or is it just down to the individual?


One is enough when the law is arbitrary and the so called crime victimless.

I don't see why a gang should be viewed as having any greater moral rectitude than one person of good conscience, especially when the gang is indistinguishable from any other extortion racket.

mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

241 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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fluffnik said:
mr_annie_vxr said:
sultanbrown said:
fluffnik said:

But if the laws an arse it's your civic duty to break it.


bow


How many people have to think the law in question is an arse before in your view the above applies? Or is it just down to the individual?


One is enough when the law is arbitrary and the so called crime victimless.

I don't see why a gang should be viewed as having any greater moral rectitude than one person of good conscience, especially when the gang is indistinguishable from any other extortion racket.

I am interested if you apply this thought process to say personal property?