New Digital "Super Camera"
Discussion
For our "safety" of course
www.thisislondon.co.uk/traffic/articles/4695328?source=Evening%20Standa
A powerful new digital "super camera" is to spearhead a major crackdown against speeding drivers.
Using cutting-edge technology, it is expected to double the number of speeding motorists caught.
It needs no film and captures electronic images of vast numbers of vehicles in one go.
Unlike traditional cameras the British-built device can be controlled by police from a remote HQ.
It transmits a stream of incriminating images direct to a central office for rapid processing, ensuring a greater flood of fines revenue.
The new equipment will be tested in official government trials on the M42 linking London with the Midlands this summer, and rolled out onto other key routes across Britain - including the M25 - if the trials are a success.
The new cameras were today welcomed by safety campaigners who said they would help slash the numbers killed and injured on the roads.
Ministers hope the new devices will help meet the Government's target of a 40-per cent cut in these numbers by 2010.
But the cameras will infuriate opponents who claim they are merely a revenue-raising tool.
www.thisislondon.co.uk/traffic/articles/4695328?source=Evening%20Standa
A powerful new digital "super camera" is to spearhead a major crackdown against speeding drivers.
Using cutting-edge technology, it is expected to double the number of speeding motorists caught.
It needs no film and captures electronic images of vast numbers of vehicles in one go.
Unlike traditional cameras the British-built device can be controlled by police from a remote HQ.
It transmits a stream of incriminating images direct to a central office for rapid processing, ensuring a greater flood of fines revenue.
The new equipment will be tested in official government trials on the M42 linking London with the Midlands this summer, and rolled out onto other key routes across Britain - including the M25 - if the trials are a success.
The new cameras were today welcomed by safety campaigners who said they would help slash the numbers killed and injured on the roads.
Ministers hope the new devices will help meet the Government's target of a 40-per cent cut in these numbers by 2010.
But the cameras will infuriate opponents who claim they are merely a revenue-raising tool.
If we had a realistic speed limit on the motorway, say 100mph, no-one would mind...
Why on earth are they putting cameras on the safest roads in Britain (statistically IIRC) and not outside schools and hospitals is beyond me.
Do you know...I don't think its even malicious. I genuinely think that the Traffic Planning community (elected and not) are plain STUPID!
Why on earth are they putting cameras on the safest roads in Britain (statistically IIRC) and not outside schools and hospitals is beyond me.
Do you know...I don't think its even malicious. I genuinely think that the Traffic Planning community (elected and not) are plain STUPID!
Of course the government could concentrate on reducing the 100,000 deaths every year due to cigarettes. And that's happening legally - full permission from the government! Incredible when you think about it.
But of course they don't. I wonder why. Maybe it's because they already get a nice revenue stream from tax on cigarettes.
How to increase revenue then?
Ah ha, in the name of safety - the obvious cash cow - the motorist!
But of course they don't. I wonder why. Maybe it's because they already get a nice revenue stream from tax on cigarettes.
How to increase revenue then?
Ah ha, in the name of safety - the obvious cash cow - the motorist!
james_j said: Of course the government could concentrate on reducing the 100,000 deaths every year due to cigarettes. And that's happening legally - full permission from the government! Incredible when you think about it.
But of course they don't. I wonder why. Maybe it's because they already get a nice revenue stream from tax on cigarettes.
How to increase revenue then?
Ah ha, in the name of safety - the obvious cash cow - the motorist!
My father, a GP who smokes, showed me the latest? fag packet governement warnings. Had me in stitches??
Big statements like "Cigarettes will give you cancer and you will die a slow and agonisingly painful death" slapped across the front.
Strange the government still reap the duty in though.
Thing about these speed camera schemes is that they are the tools of their own demise.
People will continue to slow down in these areas and speed elsewhere thus requiring further money spent on more camera's to cover greater area's until eventually no one can speed and there is no revenue. Thus the camera's have to go, and we are back to where we started.
People will continue to slow down in these areas and speed elsewhere thus requiring further money spent on more camera's to cover greater area's until eventually no one can speed and there is no revenue. Thus the camera's have to go, and we are back to where we started.
I can forsee the continued rise of "cloned" number plates.
Its gonna get to epidemic proportions, theres far too much concentration on motorists.
The governement says they want to reduce speeds by 40%.....why? I cant for the life of me see why.
Whats it gonna acheive?
A 40% cut in road deaths? nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh never happen.
Nature, (god bless her) has this habit of letting idiots, lame brainers etc, sort themselves out....
Unfortunately they sometimes happen to take someone else with them, but theres not a lot can be done about that.
So the Nanny Bliar Labia Mind Control Team, decided to MAKE (get them!) MAKE us do what they want by threat, by force and by intimidation.
I really dont give two fcuks about how many different types of spy camera they put in place...theres always a way to disrupt, destroy, damage, sabotage or otherwise circumvent them...... and so it will be.
The gatso breeding program has found that out, as ever, the hard way.
Pity they still havent learned that people will always do what they themselves want, within reason for the majority, and nothing they can say or do will ever change that.
Im not doing what you want Bliar....oh, and i voted tory...lolol
Its gonna get to epidemic proportions, theres far too much concentration on motorists.
The governement says they want to reduce speeds by 40%.....why? I cant for the life of me see why.
Whats it gonna acheive?
A 40% cut in road deaths? nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh never happen.
Nature, (god bless her) has this habit of letting idiots, lame brainers etc, sort themselves out....
Unfortunately they sometimes happen to take someone else with them, but theres not a lot can be done about that.
So the Nanny Bliar Labia Mind Control Team, decided to MAKE (get them!) MAKE us do what they want by threat, by force and by intimidation.
I really dont give two fcuks about how many different types of spy camera they put in place...theres always a way to disrupt, destroy, damage, sabotage or otherwise circumvent them...... and so it will be.
The gatso breeding program has found that out, as ever, the hard way.
Pity they still havent learned that people will always do what they themselves want, within reason for the majority, and nothing they can say or do will ever change that.
Im not doing what you want Bliar....oh, and i voted tory...lolol
So I take it they've either "forgotten" about the electronic images not being suitable evidence or they've found a solution of the electronic watermarking variety.
Deltafs right though. Even if all speeding stopped tommorrow casualties would only fall by a few percent. Never, in a million years, by 40%.
Andy
Deltafs right though. Even if all speeding stopped tommorrow casualties would only fall by a few percent. Never, in a million years, by 40%.
Andy
Lets just suppose, just for a tiny instant, that there's a grain of truth to the myth that 30% of accidents are caused by breaking the speed limit*.
How on earth do they suppose that stopping people speeding will produce a 40% reduction in accidents???
These people are just (as stated above) stupid!
*Precisely zero accidents are caused by breaking the speed limit. A debatable proportion are caused by driving too fast for the circumstances.
Edit: Just realised I misread Deltaf's post, looks like you made up that 40% cut in accidents! Traffic planners/government decision makers still look pretty dim though.
>> Edited by JohnL on Thursday 8th May 12:50
How on earth do they suppose that stopping people speeding will produce a 40% reduction in accidents???
These people are just (as stated above) stupid!
*Precisely zero accidents are caused by breaking the speed limit. A debatable proportion are caused by driving too fast for the circumstances.
Edit: Just realised I misread Deltaf's post, looks like you made up that 40% cut in accidents! Traffic planners/government decision makers still look pretty dim though.
>> Edited by JohnL on Thursday 8th May 12:50
bad company said: OK we can all criticise these revenue cameras but what are we doing about it? How many PH members are members of the ABD. At least they are trying to fight back.
I've thought seriously about standing for parliament. I could be transport minister
Unfortunately my wife is ... unenthusiastic, to put it very mildly . This reminds me of the fake email that was going around back in 2001, after much searching I found the story and Ted's response. Here is the entire post www.pistonheads.com/speed/default.asp?storyId=1986
And here is one paragraph of the response.
SPEEDCHECK SVDD (Surely Vehicles Don't Dawdle) is a system similar in concept to the GATSO, but with a new twist. SVDD deploys cameras at either end of a measured baseline, (up to 500 metres) to monitor vehicles 24 hours a day. Using Venezuelan street urchins equipped with telescopes, vehicle number plates are read, and the precise time of each observation recorded and as a vehicle passes the urchin, the number plates are yelled out along the sewers by the communications team and the average speed for the vehicle is guessed. If this is above the trigger speed, then a picture of the driver is taken and posted onto the FBI's 'Most Wanted' website.
And here is one paragraph of the response.
SPEEDCHECK SVDD (Surely Vehicles Don't Dawdle) is a system similar in concept to the GATSO, but with a new twist. SVDD deploys cameras at either end of a measured baseline, (up to 500 metres) to monitor vehicles 24 hours a day. Using Venezuelan street urchins equipped with telescopes, vehicle number plates are read, and the precise time of each observation recorded and as a vehicle passes the urchin, the number plates are yelled out along the sewers by the communications team and the average speed for the vehicle is guessed. If this is above the trigger speed, then a picture of the driver is taken and posted onto the FBI's 'Most Wanted' website.
what another load of thieving bar-stewards!!
how many of the thousands(?) of people killed on the roads are killed on MOTORWAYS????????
if anybody gets killed on these things its drivers and most of them have fallen asleep at the whell!!
it all comes down to variability of appropriate speed... residential areas, even on clear dry days (or nights) with no traffic, still require a low speed and so can be controlled by a camera.
HOWEVER a motorway can have a MUCH broader 'safe speed' range from 30-40 in heavy traffic or bad weather up to 100+ on clear days/nights and so are NOT suitable to be controlled by cameras.
simple as that. cameras on motorways = b*ll*cks
how many of the thousands(?) of people killed on the roads are killed on MOTORWAYS????????
if anybody gets killed on these things its drivers and most of them have fallen asleep at the whell!!
it all comes down to variability of appropriate speed... residential areas, even on clear dry days (or nights) with no traffic, still require a low speed and so can be controlled by a camera.
HOWEVER a motorway can have a MUCH broader 'safe speed' range from 30-40 in heavy traffic or bad weather up to 100+ on clear days/nights and so are NOT suitable to be controlled by cameras.
simple as that. cameras on motorways = b*ll*cks
Yes, i really must get around to testing out that idae Simon! Ive already done the non reflective plates one, and thats helped some.
Ill sort sommat out and see if it works...ive got the IR source, and the cameras.. and a suitable "normal" plate, for testing porpoises only you understand....
Ill sort sommat out and see if it works...ive got the IR source, and the cameras..
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