RE: Tyre smoke the only smoke allowed
RE: Tyre smoke the only smoke allowed
Monday 14th May 2007

Tyre smoke the only smoke allowed

Smoking as you drive to be banned?



A ban on smoking while you drive could soon be the latest law for motorists to contend with. According to a story in the Observer at the weekend, the Local Authority Road Safety Officers' Association is calling for a ban in an attempt to ‘cut the number of crashes’.

The Department of Health has that it would seriously consider a ban, as are, apparently, the authorities in Germany, Australia and America. The move was backed by anti-smoking campaigners but has drawn criticism from others as an attack on personal freedom. As of 1st July, England will join the rest of the UK in introducing a ban on smoking in enclosed public places and the workplace.

The association claims that drivers are in danger when they take their hands off the wheel to find, light and smoke cigarettes, especially if a lit cigarette or ash falls in the car or is blown back through the window. The organisation, which represents 180 of Britain's 200 local roads authorities, fears that once people who drive are stopped from lighting up in other places from 1 July, they will smoke more while in their own cars. It is aiming to meet transport officials within weeks to ask them to pass the ban.

'Driving is a complicated business, especially with the high volume of traffic motorists have to contend with these days. It's not an area where you can multi-task,' said Simon Ettinghausen, a spokesman for the association. He referred to the recent law banning the use of hand-held mobile phones in cars as an example in his opinion of how special bans were more effective than general road-safety legislation.

'In this country, we're libertarians, we like to give people freedoms, but if you are distracted unfortunately your freedom to do these things can affect other people's lives,' he added

The Department of Health said it was 'looking at how we can get further momentum towards smoking cessation beyond the introduction of the smoking ban in England'.

'We are looking at further proposals and this could be one of them. If the road safety officers put information and evidence before us about this, and explain the case for it, we would study it,' said a spokeswoman.

Amanda Sandford of the campaign group Action on Smoking and Health said: 'We fully support this proposal. Not so long ago it would have seemed inconceivable that we would have a total ban on smoking across the country, but in a few years time people will think it's inconceivable that we allow people to continue to smoke while driving.'

However, Andrew Lansley, the Conservative shadow Health Secretary, condemned the plan as a denial of citizens' rights to decide how they behave in their own personal space. 'Parliament hasn't accepted the completely anti-libertarian view that people can't do what they like in their own homes and own cars,' he said.

Paul Smith, founder of campaign group Safespeed, said: "I'm amazed that the Local Authority Road Safety Officers' Association (LARSOA) should propose such a thing - it shows the tragic state of road safety in the UK. Smoking at the wheel isn't a known cause of crashes - the risk is purely theoretical. The problem with chasing theoretical risks is that life saving resources are taken away from real causes of risk."

"One thing's for sure - while a Police officer is giving you a ticket for smoking at the wheel, he's not catching drunk drivers or stolen cars."

"We would also need to consider the new crash risks that a ban on smoking at the wheel might bring. Smokers can feel agitated or anxious when they need a cigarette and the last thing we need is more agitated or anxious drivers."

"All things considered a ban on drivers smoking is highly likely to increase road risks and I'm disgusted that LARSOA don't know better. They are playing with fire.

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cazzer

Original Poster:

8,883 posts

279 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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FFS

Plotloss

67,280 posts

301 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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Odds that this nonsense was conceived by a non-smoker?

What a load of shit.

andymaserati

505 posts

265 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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i never saw the reason in smoking... i've never smoked and probably never will
i always thought it was just as dangerous rolling a cigarette while driving as talking on a mobile phone, if not more so......

BUT

my house mate smokes, and if he drives somewhere in manchester without a cigarette the stress levels go through the roof.... allow people to smoke while driving, as it cuts down on road rage, and in my house mates case, makes him a better driver.

richards 7

124 posts

245 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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not a smoker myself and hate the habit, but if they are smoking in their own car, so what? it does me no harm. Not sure about the 'road safety' bit either. On the face of it handling fire whilst driving is not good but it's just another bit of red tape that bashes round the edges. We need better driving standards and I guess the only way for that to happen is tight control of the driving test and more people on the roads pointing out the errors of our ways (if we made them instantly recognisable eg brightly coloured cars with blue lights on top). On top of that then control the uninsured, and drunk drivers, those who drive on foreign plates illegally, (not many of these caught by the scameras) and I think you'd have safer roads and the distrust of the BIB would reduce greatly.

well thats my pennys worth anyway

supermono

7,464 posts

279 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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I'm sure existing due care laws cover some feckwit wresting with the fag lighter, the fag packet, the steering wheel and the indicator stalk/gearstick all at the same time. But then so it did for people on the phone.

It's irritating that judgement isn't used and laws have to keep being created. Someone cruising along the motorway can smoke or use a phone without affecting the balance of danger very much at all, on a busy roundabout you can't.

Crucially though creating rafts of new legislation employs people in non-jobs which lets the gubmint crow about increased employment and public spending...

SM

splatspeed

7,491 posts

282 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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i dont want someone needing a smoke behind the wheel of a car

it is safer to let a smoker smoke than make them go without

also women should only drive 3 /4 weeks same reason

Plotloss

67,280 posts

301 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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If you cant light a fag and operate a car you have no business being on the road in the first place, in fact, if you do I'd also suggest that you may have issue walking and chewing gum.

Smoking is in no way synonymous to talking on a mobile whilst driving.

becca_viola

9,932 posts

242 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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splatspeed said:
i dont want someone needing a smoke behind the wheel of a car

it is safer to let a smoker smoke than make them go without

also women should only drive 3 /4 weeks same reason


irked

One day in 28, I feel slightly crud, take a painkiller, feel better. This does not affect my ability as a driver. At all. Ever.

rolleyes

gizmo.mp3

18,150 posts

240 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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As the authorities have failed so miserably, despite threats, to stop people talking on mobiles while driving, I think it's unlikely that they'll stop smoking either.

Perhaps it's just something that they will be able to use as 'evidence' of reckless or dangerous driving in the event that there's an accident...

RobPhoboS

3,454 posts

257 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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I dont smoke but this country is completely fking ridiculous.


Cant wait to see what Boss (Phil) says about this !

ingrowtn

230 posts

284 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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As an ex-smoker, and a heavy smoker at that, I can say with some authority that lighting up in the car never once caused me to have an accident.

The one and only incident I have been involved with was down to another driver not reading the road and traffic properly and slamming into the back of a line of stationary traffic causing the typical sandwich effect (I was the 4th car in the line). Incidentally that driver was not smoking either.

bigdods

7,175 posts

258 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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Interesting that they produced no statistics to back up the safety message here. I am certain that if there were stats showing x number of accidents caused by smoking while driving they would have been trotted out.

Looking forward to cars being stopped in dangerous places by the side of roads so that people can have a smoke. I see chaos ahead....

MitchT

17,158 posts

240 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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Like andymaserati I see the two distinct sides to this... but ultimately I think they're just inventing things to fine people for. It's more profitable for Burgler Brown and safer for our ball-less cops than dealing with real crime.

wab172uk

2,005 posts

258 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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What next though?

No operating your radio. No talking.

All are distractions from driving. rolleyes

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

235 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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BAN MANUAL GEARBOXES

seriously i already avoid changing gear when i see a plod car incase i get done for careless driving


Mr Whippy

32,453 posts

272 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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andymaserati said:
my house mate smokes, and if he drives somewhere in manchester without a cigarette the stress levels go through the roof.... allow people to smoke while driving, as it cuts down on road rage, and in my house mates case, makes him a better driver.


I think that a cigarette is not an answer to his issues though.

I could argue that having a blowjob while driving reduces stress, but I'd get prosecuted for it.

I could argue eating an apple reduces my stress levels, but I can't do that either (or so it seems).


To allow it simply because people have anger issues is not good.


However, I simply say that if their driving is dangerous no matter what they are doing, then do them for that! I'm sure someone picking their nose is a risk at the right/wrong time.

More plod will reduce accidents, not simply bringing in laws there are no plod to enforce anyway.

Dave

deanb

175 posts

315 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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Improve safety:

No talking to passengers.
No children in the car
No music
No window winders
Nose-plugs to stop distraction by stray odours
Illegal to wear revealing clothes while walking on pavements
Only flappy-paddle gearboxes
Hands to be chained to the wheel while driving

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

235 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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deanb said:
Improve safety:

No talking to passengers.
No children in the car
No music
No window winders
Nose-plugs to stop distraction by stray odours
Illegal to wear revealing clothes while walking on pavements
Only flappy-paddle gearboxes
Hands to be chained to the wheel while driving


I've had a better idea

Paint your windows black then you can get distracted by the outside world then you can only look at your speedo

don't forget kids speed kills

victormeldrew

8,293 posts

308 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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Just another nail in the coffin lid for private motoring. It's a war of attrition, and they're winning. 4x4's are already have a social stigma, acceptance that use of mobiles while driving is evil happened pretty much overnight, a sizeable proportion of the public genuinely does believe that speed kills, drink drivers are regarded as social pariahs.

Personally I never could understand why smoking while driving is acceptable, and as a biker who has had a lit cigarette stub in the face I REALLY dislike the practice, but yet I can't support any move to prohibit yet another freedom. There may actually be smokers out there who do have a social awareness and do smoke responsibly (though the fact that they smoke at all does kind of make that unlikely).

fatboy b

9,665 posts

247 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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And will the ban be as effectively policed as the mobile phone ban? rolleyes I can't say the phone ban has made any difference. I still see cvnts driving around, their speed getting gradually slower or wandering all over the road, while attending an urgent call.