Blanket 20 mph limit
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Well done, already an average speed on residential roads of 24mph. How much of a difference will this make?
Most of the roads are narrow and congested anyway. It's only a small number of idiots that race up and down them. Why not spend the money going after them?
Well done, already an average speed on residential roads of 24mph. How much of a difference will this make?
Most of the roads are narrow and congested anyway. It's only a small number of idiots that race up and down them. Why not spend the money going after them?
Question for you VH - I pass an infant school on my way to a clients office a couple of times a week. At dropping off time you'd be lucky to get to 10mph, let alone the posted number. Question is though, as you approach the school the local limit is 30mph. About 100yds short there is a sign with flashing orange lights that come in the morning and afternoon. Under the flashing lights is a 20 sign in a green circle with the notation "when lights flash" underneath it on a seperate sign. I was under the impression that enforcable limits had to be circled red (don't know where I picked that up from mind you) Any ideas what the legal standpoint is?
dougc said:
Question for you VH - I pass an infant school on my way to a clients office a couple of times a week. At dropping off time you'd be lucky to get to 10mph, let alone the posted number. Question is though, as you approach the school the local limit is 30mph. About 100yds short there is a sign with flashing orange lights that come in the morning and afternoon. Under the flashing lights is a 20 sign in a green circle with the notation "when lights flash" underneath it on a seperate sign. I was under the impression that enforcable limits had to be circled red (don't know where I picked that up from mind you) Any ideas what the legal standpoint is?
Advisory limit.vonhosen said:
lookrightfirst said:
if they are just speed limits painted on the road they are totally unenforceable apparently, however if there are the correct signs as well it's another story
That depends where they are.
alphadog said:
vonhosen said:
lookrightfirst said:
if they are just speed limits painted on the road they are totally unenforceable apparently, however if there are the correct signs as well it's another story
That depends where they are.In the case of the OP's road, it's not a concern anyway because there are signs as well as the roundels.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 31st May 21:35
vonhosen said:
alphadog said:
vonhosen said:
lookrightfirst said:
if they are just speed limits painted on the road they are totally unenforceable apparently, however if there are the correct signs as well it's another story
That depends where they are.In the case of the OP's road, it's not a concern anyway because there are signs as well as the roundels.
The thing is there is that many 20 limits do not! Just want to be clear of the law as I do not wish to get caught out!
Watching the coverage on South Today earlier this evening, it seems to me that Portsmouth Council seem to have diverted enough resources from the Council Tax to ensuring that all the roads are signposted and painted with the new limits... the whole residential part of the city that is!
What an incredible waste of resources. I bet they're going to employ legions of council goons to mercilessly prosecute drivers for the new limit whilst other council services are rationed like an ethiopian food depot.
On a seperate point, has anyone considered the carbon impact of everyone driving around Portsmouth in second gear? 20mph is too low for third in most cars.
Another thought I've had is that last year Portsmouth Council outsourced all it's highways maintenance to a French company on a fixed price contract. Could it possibly be that they might benefit financially from a reduction in the speed limit somehow? Did they play a part in the decision??
What an incredible waste of resources. I bet they're going to employ legions of council goons to mercilessly prosecute drivers for the new limit whilst other council services are rationed like an ethiopian food depot.
On a seperate point, has anyone considered the carbon impact of everyone driving around Portsmouth in second gear? 20mph is too low for third in most cars.
Another thought I've had is that last year Portsmouth Council outsourced all it's highways maintenance to a French company on a fixed price contract. Could it possibly be that they might benefit financially from a reduction in the speed limit somehow? Did they play a part in the decision??
Edited by corozin on Thursday 31st May 23:44
smeggy said:
dumbass said:
But if motorists stick to the new limit it is hoped that figure will tumble
So let's all stick rigidly to 20mph, everything will be OK!Those that do, are "...breaking the law...", and should be given lengthy custodial sentences.
After all, think of the kids...
corozin said:
Another thought I've had is that last year Portsmouth Council outsourced all it's highways maintenance to a French company on a fixed price contract. Could it possibly be that they might benefit financially from a reduction in the speed limit somehow? Did they play a part in the decision??
Colas are doing the much needed repairs, but I don't think Portsmouth Council need help in stupid decisions.In a city with three roads in and out, the main road was narrowed from two lanes for each direction to one, and three parallel cycle lanes installed. Yes, three. Then a Truvelo installed just incase you knocked any children over at 3am when it's not gridlocked.
Underestimated the repairs on a bridge on one of main artery roads. Meaning it could only take traffic in one direction for three years. Then had the audacity to say it was repaired early, no that's three years late.
They put double yellow lines across my garage and hard standing, to increase the number of parking spaces.
"But if motorists stick to the new limit it is hoped that figure will tumble"
Well that's a leap of faith. So how long is the trial then? If the figure doesn't "tumble", which of course it won't, what'll they do next? 15mph? 10mph? or will they declare it's nothing to do with the speed limit, forget the whole thing and try and come up with an idea that works?
BTW it's my understanding that not many people are injured by cars while they're on the pavement or crossing the road safely. There's a big clue here...
SM
Well that's a leap of faith. So how long is the trial then? If the figure doesn't "tumble", which of course it won't, what'll they do next? 15mph? 10mph? or will they declare it's nothing to do with the speed limit, forget the whole thing and try and come up with an idea that works?
BTW it's my understanding that not many people are injured by cars while they're on the pavement or crossing the road safely. There's a big clue here...
SM
It's all over the front of the Express today '20MPH BRITAIN' or something - I saw it when I was getting petrol this morning.
I've already had the PR from Brake who of course completely support this new speed limit reduction, but then they'd support it if it was a 2mph limit.
"Cathy Keeler, head of campaigns at Brake, says: “We are delighted that Portsmouth has ignored the usual knee-jerk reaction of the small minority of speed freaks who oppose 20mph zones. This positive step will help protect Portsmouth’s communities, particularly children, who deserve to be able to walk about their neighbourhoods free from fear of speeding traffic. We hope the rest of the country will follow suit and adopt these level-headed measures to save lives. If the Government is serious about reducing the number of child deaths on the road 20mph zones in residential areas are the way forward.”
Small minority of speed freaks eh? Are this lot exremists or what.
Would it be possible that cars will now bunch up more and the low limit will cause frustration among drivers?
As has already been mentioned, it can't be good for emissions to have cars driving in second gear everywhere. Numerous cars I've driven are not happy in 3rd at 20mph.
I've already had the PR from Brake who of course completely support this new speed limit reduction, but then they'd support it if it was a 2mph limit.
"Cathy Keeler, head of campaigns at Brake, says: “We are delighted that Portsmouth has ignored the usual knee-jerk reaction of the small minority of speed freaks who oppose 20mph zones. This positive step will help protect Portsmouth’s communities, particularly children, who deserve to be able to walk about their neighbourhoods free from fear of speeding traffic. We hope the rest of the country will follow suit and adopt these level-headed measures to save lives. If the Government is serious about reducing the number of child deaths on the road 20mph zones in residential areas are the way forward.”
Small minority of speed freaks eh? Are this lot exremists or what.
Would it be possible that cars will now bunch up more and the low limit will cause frustration among drivers?
As has already been mentioned, it can't be good for emissions to have cars driving in second gear everywhere. Numerous cars I've driven are not happy in 3rd at 20mph.
Cathy Keeler said:
.....particularly children, who deserve to be able to walk about their neighbourhoods free from fear of speeding traffic.
Sometimes, with idiots like this, it almost seems to be worth jumping in front of their cars, just to prove that education is the best way forwards.The kids are free to walk about their neighbourhoods, that's not what causes accidents, it's when the idiots cross without looking.
Dougie. said:
As has already been mentioned, it can't be good for emissions to have cars driving in second gear everywhere. Numerous cars I've driven are not happy in 3rd at 20mph.
Just imagine a de-catted Cerbera doing 15-20 mph in 1st/2nd gear at 2AM around a residential estate though 
vonhosen said:
dougc said:
Question for you VH - I pass an infant school on my way to a clients office a couple of times a week. At dropping off time you'd be lucky to get to 10mph, let alone the posted number. Question is though, as you approach the school the local limit is 30mph. About 100yds short there is a sign with flashing orange lights that come in the morning and afternoon. Under the flashing lights is a 20 sign in a green circle with the notation "when lights flash" underneath it on a seperate sign. I was under the impression that enforcable limits had to be circled red (don't know where I picked that up from mind you) Any ideas what the legal standpoint is?
Advisory limit.Can be removed by SoS at the LA/HAs expense.
I saw a news report last week (sorry, no idea where I'd refind the link). A town cut the speeds of buses in the pedestrianised centre, because of repeated deaths and injuries.
One tiny flaw in the plan. The pedestrians now completely forgot there were any buses at all, and stepped out blindly. Injuries and deaths rose.
One tiny flaw in the plan. The pedestrians now completely forgot there were any buses at all, and stepped out blindly. Injuries and deaths rose.
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