Been assaulted.. do I get Police involved..?
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Hi All..
Well there I was minding my own business in the local pub on saturday night when there was a bit of an incident.
I was in conversation with some friends where one of them heard the word "pikey" from across the room..
she commented:
"until I came to these parts I'd never heard the word pikey before"
to which I replied..
"Pikeys a country saying"
At which point the large bloke sat nearby grabbed me saying "Watch what you're saying, I've got some of that in my family" and proceeeded to punch me to the ground.
On being separated by four or five other people (holding him off me (cos I'm not a big bloke for a fight)) I tried to explain what I had said, however he was really wound up, but got removed to the other bar where I assumed he was being calmed down by some of the other locals.
I got myself a fresh pint, and some ice for my face, and we sat back down and tried to continue the evening as before, and all tried to put the incident behind us.
Half an hour later.. all of a sudden the same bloke appears from no-where, grabs me and throws me into the pub door saying "I want a word with you outside".. sadly as the door was in between me and outside this proved a bit of a stumbling block, especially as this caused me to begin bleeding quite profusely from the cuts in my back as the door has (had) glass panels in it, one of which took the brunt of my weight and shattered, cutting me quite a bit in the process.
I legged it..(partly as I could feel blood running down my back) and to cut a long story short, got out of casualty at 4am sunday morning having been stitched back together.. I'm currently off work so posting from home.
Anyway, the owner of the pub has been trying to diffuse the situation, but in a nutshell, the words:
"Pikey's a country saying" from me, were heard by the other guy as "Pikeys are C**ts" to which he took great exception..
Anyway.. to cut the story even shorter.. its two days later.. the misunderstanding has been explained to the other bloke (who I have been drinking in the pub with for 2 years so should know me better anyway).. but he isn't having a barr of it.. as far as he's concerned I got what I deserved and he's right, and what he heard is what I said.
My problem is this.. do I persue him for assault..? its a little village here and it will cause all sorts of stirrings and he's got a big family, on the other hand, do I let him get away with it..?
I don't know what to do.. ? any suggestions..?
Cheers,
Matt.
Well there I was minding my own business in the local pub on saturday night when there was a bit of an incident.
I was in conversation with some friends where one of them heard the word "pikey" from across the room..
she commented:
"until I came to these parts I'd never heard the word pikey before"
to which I replied..
"Pikeys a country saying"
At which point the large bloke sat nearby grabbed me saying "Watch what you're saying, I've got some of that in my family" and proceeeded to punch me to the ground.
On being separated by four or five other people (holding him off me (cos I'm not a big bloke for a fight)) I tried to explain what I had said, however he was really wound up, but got removed to the other bar where I assumed he was being calmed down by some of the other locals.
I got myself a fresh pint, and some ice for my face, and we sat back down and tried to continue the evening as before, and all tried to put the incident behind us.
Half an hour later.. all of a sudden the same bloke appears from no-where, grabs me and throws me into the pub door saying "I want a word with you outside".. sadly as the door was in between me and outside this proved a bit of a stumbling block, especially as this caused me to begin bleeding quite profusely from the cuts in my back as the door has (had) glass panels in it, one of which took the brunt of my weight and shattered, cutting me quite a bit in the process.
I legged it..(partly as I could feel blood running down my back) and to cut a long story short, got out of casualty at 4am sunday morning having been stitched back together.. I'm currently off work so posting from home.
Anyway, the owner of the pub has been trying to diffuse the situation, but in a nutshell, the words:
"Pikey's a country saying" from me, were heard by the other guy as "Pikeys are C**ts" to which he took great exception..
Anyway.. to cut the story even shorter.. its two days later.. the misunderstanding has been explained to the other bloke (who I have been drinking in the pub with for 2 years so should know me better anyway).. but he isn't having a barr of it.. as far as he's concerned I got what I deserved and he's right, and what he heard is what I said.
My problem is this.. do I persue him for assault..? its a little village here and it will cause all sorts of stirrings and he's got a big family, on the other hand, do I let him get away with it..?
I don't know what to do.. ? any suggestions..?
Cheers,
Matt.
Id persue it through the law.
Only thing is, who was witness to what you actually said? And to what happened?
Also you have the injuries sustained.
So thats the way id go.
And if none of the above came to fruition, i would merrily take a bat to him, and his extended pikey family.... But thats just me...
Only thing is, who was witness to what you actually said? And to what happened?
Also you have the injuries sustained.
So thats the way id go.
And if none of the above came to fruition, i would merrily take a bat to him, and his extended pikey family.... But thats just me...
Why am I not surpripsed that someone who acknowledges genetic association with the travelling community dealt with this incident in the way he did.
Go to the Police Station, report the incident (cuts requiring stitches are ABH bordering GBH depending on the severity). Get photographs taken by SOCO, support proceedings, change your pub so that you do not have to have any contact with this lowlife and then put in a claim to the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board. You need to get the injuries documented quickly though.
To55ers like that who throw their weight around with a couple of pints inside them require at least a visit to Magistrates Court to explain their inadequacies.
Go to the Police Station, report the incident (cuts requiring stitches are ABH bordering GBH depending on the severity). Get photographs taken by SOCO, support proceedings, change your pub so that you do not have to have any contact with this lowlife and then put in a claim to the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board. You need to get the injuries documented quickly though.
To55ers like that who throw their weight around with a couple of pints inside them require at least a visit to Magistrates Court to explain their inadequacies.
He assaulted you Matt, you didnt reciprocate.
You have recieved injuries easily consistent with ABH, depending on the severity, (which I dont know) Gbh.
Does the pub have cctv?
When it comes down to it, the court will decide given the evidence it hears (and maybe sees)
Strength of witnesses, cctv, hospital reports are all very relevant.
The court will get the full picture, get as much ammunition as you can and go for it.
Sod the fact it is a small village, he has to learn.
Mike
Cue the "get him with a baseball bat"
"get the boys in"
"Balaclava, bat and do his knees in" comments!!
You have recieved injuries easily consistent with ABH, depending on the severity, (which I dont know) Gbh.
Does the pub have cctv?
When it comes down to it, the court will decide given the evidence it hears (and maybe sees)
Strength of witnesses, cctv, hospital reports are all very relevant.
The court will get the full picture, get as much ammunition as you can and go for it.
Sod the fact it is a small village, he has to learn.
Mike
Cue the "get him with a baseball bat"
"get the boys in"
"Balaclava, bat and do his knees in" comments!!
Matt - sorry to hear about this.
Sounds like a very tough call. In most cases like this my natural reaction would be to go straight to the police and see the bugger in court, but the situation makes things far more complex.
I guess you have to assess what you reckon the reaction will be from those around him if you get him hauled up before the local beak...especially if they know where you live. If you reckon they're a reasonable bunch of people who accept he's brought anything he gets on himself, then fine. But if you think they are not a pleasant bunch and you're going to sleeping with one eye open following any legal action taken against him, then maybe its not worth it, but you have to be ready for that eventuality if you decide to pursue it...I have read of cases where people had ended up having to move.
One thing...following this has the publican taken any action, like barring him or making (or attempting to make) him pay for the damage he caused?
Sounds like a very tough call. In most cases like this my natural reaction would be to go straight to the police and see the bugger in court, but the situation makes things far more complex.
I guess you have to assess what you reckon the reaction will be from those around him if you get him hauled up before the local beak...especially if they know where you live. If you reckon they're a reasonable bunch of people who accept he's brought anything he gets on himself, then fine. But if you think they are not a pleasant bunch and you're going to sleeping with one eye open following any legal action taken against him, then maybe its not worth it, but you have to be ready for that eventuality if you decide to pursue it...I have read of cases where people had ended up having to move.
One thing...following this has the publican taken any action, like barring him or making (or attempting to make) him pay for the damage he caused?
deltaf said: Id persue it through the law.
Only thing is, who was witness to what you actually said? And to what happened?
Also you have the injuries sustained.
So thats the way id go.
And if none of the above came to fruition, i would merrily take a bat to him, and his extended pikey family.... But thats just me...
Even if he did make a comment that could have been construed as 'racist'
(and I doubt that it would be if that was the circumstances and the exact dialogue), it was not necessary for him to use physical violence to reslove it on one occasion, let alone come back later for another bite at the cherry! I see it regularly from inadequate p1ss heads who can only make a point and a small victory by consuming alcohol and punching someone.
I have four witnesses to exactly what I said, and I have the casualty report of my injuries. The bloke has apologised to the pblican, and fixed the door.. however percieves me as evil scum.
The one thing that worries me is the sleeping with one eye open, and having to move bit... although currently I'm sleeping with one eye open anyway as by the way he came back the half hour later and wanted to get me outside, he obviously wants to do some serious damage to me.. I'm now also fearing for the Chim on the drive..
Bugger !
Matt
The one thing that worries me is the sleeping with one eye open, and having to move bit... although currently I'm sleeping with one eye open anyway as by the way he came back the half hour later and wanted to get me outside, he obviously wants to do some serious damage to me.. I'm now also fearing for the Chim on the drive..
Bugger !
Matt
M@H said: I have four witnesses to exactly what I said, and I have the casualty report of my injuries. The bloke has apologised to the pblican, and fixed the door.. however percieves me as evil scum.
The one thing that worries me is the sleeping with one eye open, and having to move bit... although currently I'm sleeping with one eye open anyway as by the way he came back the half hour later and wanted to get me outside, he obviously wants to do some serious damage to me.. I'm now also fearing for the Chim on the drive..
Bugger !
Matt
Even more reason to get him sorted properly. Do not give into fear from intimidation from this scumbag! That is how they raise their status amongst the community and end up becoming the 'Mr Big' who is untouchable. He will then start taking liberties with everyone else too. Stand up to him, he is a moron!
What a horrible, difficult situation. I can see why you wouldn't want to press charges but I think that would leave you feeling just as nervous as he would think that he can get away with pushing you around.
I get the impression you would settle for an aplogy to put this incident behind you. Is there a way you can make an official complaint to the police so that they can give him a warning of some sort.
Wot a clothes peg peddaling bully
I get the impression you would settle for an aplogy to put this incident behind you. Is there a way you can make an official complaint to the police so that they can give him a warning of some sort.
Wot a clothes peg peddaling bully
ohidunno said:
I get the impression you would settle for an aplogy to put this incident behind you.
Correct.. thats why I hadn't done anything at all so far.. I was expecting him to see his mistake in the light of day and kind of admit it.. sadly having seen him in the pub two hours ago this is not the case.. when I approached him (in a friendly manner!) I got a very vary restrained "don't bother speaking to me Matt".. as he stared into the distance.. doubtless wondering where he could purchase some thumb screws, sharp knives, and a large quantity of battery acid.
Matt.
serious dilemma mate. if you take the brave route of pursuing it you risk sleeping with one eye open/watching your back. If you let it go, i read it that you are not living by what you believe is right.
I faced the same situation a couple of months ago. I made the decision to do what i believed in. the way i viewed it was that i could sleep with one eye open for 6 months and then know it was all ok....or i could live for years knowing i hadnt acted in a manner i wanted to do and what i considered to be right and wrong.
you must make your own decision on that front. 3 months have now passed since my "incident" and i still fear for the Tiv on the drive and have a loaded gun and an iron bar under my bed. but i am content with myself which means a lot. a cavalier attitude maybe, but one that i intend to stand by. taking it to the far extremeties, i would rather die for what i believe in than live for what i dont...
whats right for one person isnt always right for another and its a shame scumbags such as this create such a dilemma. good luck however you decide
I faced the same situation a couple of months ago. I made the decision to do what i believed in. the way i viewed it was that i could sleep with one eye open for 6 months and then know it was all ok....or i could live for years knowing i hadnt acted in a manner i wanted to do and what i considered to be right and wrong.
you must make your own decision on that front. 3 months have now passed since my "incident" and i still fear for the Tiv on the drive and have a loaded gun and an iron bar under my bed. but i am content with myself which means a lot. a cavalier attitude maybe, but one that i intend to stand by. taking it to the far extremeties, i would rather die for what i believe in than live for what i dont...
whats right for one person isnt always right for another and its a shame scumbags such as this create such a dilemma. good luck however you decide
A similar thing happened to to a mate in pub in the small village where I grew up. The attacker was a local thug with "family & friends" on his side so he had got away with it in the past as no-one wanted to cause ripples in a small community.
My mate pressed charges (partly to try & recover the cost of dental treatment - but at fine repayment at £2 per week it's not really going to happen) and the bloke spent the night in a cell + done with some form of assault (was a while ago so not too sure).
Point is that the scrote who lamped him causes much less trouble than he used to because fewer people would tolerate it and he would probably have the book thrown at him. IMHO you have far less to lose by pressing charges than he does.
Good luck if you go ahead and do it, hope the bruises + cuts clear up soon.
My mate pressed charges (partly to try & recover the cost of dental treatment - but at fine repayment at £2 per week it's not really going to happen) and the bloke spent the night in a cell + done with some form of assault (was a while ago so not too sure).
Point is that the scrote who lamped him causes much less trouble than he used to because fewer people would tolerate it and he would probably have the book thrown at him. IMHO you have far less to lose by pressing charges than he does.
Good luck if you go ahead and do it, hope the bruises + cuts clear up soon.
Sorry to hear that....
M@H said: sadly having seen him in the pub two hours ago this is not the case.. when I approached him (in a friendly manner!) I got a very vary restrained "don't bother speaking to me Matt"..
Don't muck about, press charges - even if you do nothing, you are still going to worry about him anyway!
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