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crackthatoff

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3,314 posts

244 months

Friday 29th June 2007
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my numberplate broke on a hump because the car is low, then i put the numberplate in the boot so that it would not become loose and fall off, then a scamera van pointed and shot me? would he still be able to get me for speeding then, assuming he is hiding in a van and cannot turn round to shoot the back plate? not that I'd do this to evade capture or anything.

Burgmeister

2,206 posts

241 months

Friday 29th June 2007
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not really much they can do really is there?

well placed leaves normally work well

davido140

9,617 posts

257 months

Friday 29th June 2007
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I think I see what you're getting at... you'll prob get pulled by the old bill and fined (£60 ??)

I wouldnt want to be stopped by the same BiB twice!!

crackthatoff

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3,314 posts

244 months

Friday 29th June 2007
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davido140 said:
I think I see what you're getting at... you'll prob get pulled by the old bill and fined (£60 ??)

I wouldnt want to be stopped by the same BiB twice!!
why should I get fined when it's only just broken and first thing in the morning I'm going to get a new one ?????

Mr Sweetchuck

3,851 posts

235 months

Friday 29th June 2007
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You'd have a broken numberplate in your boot. smile

Bigdoghead

25 posts

233 months

Friday 29th June 2007
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crackthatoff said:
davido140 said:
I think I see what you're getting at... you'll prob get pulled by the old bill and fined (£60 ??)

I wouldnt want to be stopped by the same BiB twice!!
why should I get fined when it's only just broken and first thing in the morning I'm going to get a new one ?????
because it's illegal to drive without a number plate, you are driving without one !!!!

the reasons why you're driving without one is irrelevent, nobody forces you to go anywhere, you choose to drive places... and you choose to continue to drive without a number plate.

crackthatoff

Original Poster:

3,314 posts

244 months

Friday 29th June 2007
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Bigdoghead said:
crackthatoff said:
davido140 said:
I think I see what you're getting at... you'll prob get pulled by the old bill and fined (£60 ??)

I wouldnt want to be stopped by the same BiB twice!!
why should I get fined when it's only just broken and first thing in the morning I'm going to get a new one ?????
because it's illegal to drive without a number plate, you are driving without one !!!!

the reasons why you're driving without one is irrelevent, nobody forces you to go anywhere, you choose to drive places... and you choose to continue to drive without a number plate.
so you drive x ammount of miles to a destination and it breaks, your telling me your not allowed to continue the journey then?

Mr Sweetchuck

3,851 posts

235 months

Friday 29th June 2007
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Via Halfords & its okay

esselte

14,626 posts

298 months

Friday 29th June 2007
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Mr Sweetchuck said:
Via Halfords & its okay
Don't you have to have a V5 to be able to get plates made up? If so,do you drive with yours in your car?

Greendubber

15,368 posts

234 months

Friday 29th June 2007
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You do need a V5 to get a new plate made up. If your plate breaks and you drive home to get your docs and sort a new plate out its no worries. Its actually an offence to not carry all your docs about, but being as that's not practical due to car theft etc etc and all your docs going its dealt with by ways of a HORT1 (producer)...not that you have to produce your V5 within 7 days, its as soon as practicable as its not always easy to get hold of it if you have a company motor etc.

If I stopped you for not having a front plate I'd give you a VDRS to get it sorted. Put a new one on, get the form stamped by an MOT station and drop it into the police station....no points and no fine if its all done that way and doesn't make you feel like a crim for it.

You can of course opt not to go on a VDRS, but I cant see anyone wanting to have a FPN instead of that.

T

Edited by Greendubber on Friday 29th June 23:01

thehappyotter

800 posts

233 months

Saturday 30th June 2007
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You do indeed need a V5 to get a new plate, either that or a retention certificate with a plate in your name.

I tend to be quite fair with things like this, catch you once and I’ll take your word for it but will report you incase my advice to get it sorted asap is ignored. A second time (and I will hang around the same area the same time next day or two) and you'll be summoned to court with the first offence included too, if it's within the statutory time limits for prosecution.

I prefer advice to VDRS or FPN’s and won’t mess about if ignored. It seems to work with the majority.

davido140

9,617 posts

257 months

Saturday 30th June 2007
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crackthatoff said:
Bigdoghead said:
crackthatoff said:
davido140 said:
I think I see what you're getting at... you'll prob get pulled by the old bill and fined (£60 ??)

I wouldnt want to be stopped by the same BiB twice!!
why should I get fined when it's only just broken and first thing in the morning I'm going to get a new one ?????
because it's illegal to drive without a number plate, you are driving without one !!!!

the reasons why you're driving without one is irrelevent, nobody forces you to go anywhere, you choose to drive places... and you choose to continue to drive without a number plate.
so you drive x ammount of miles to a destination and it breaks, your telling me your not allowed to continue the journey then?
this is where plods magical "discrection" comes into play, 1st time im sure most resonable BiB would say okey dokey sir, on your way. If however you're thinking to do it on a "permanent" basis then you get stopped by the same BiB twice I can guarantee they will remember you and the proverbial book will get thrown!!!

Edited by davido140 on Saturday 30th June 02:47

streaky

19,311 posts

280 months

Saturday 30th June 2007
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thehappyotter said:
You do indeed need a V5 to get a new plate, either that or a retention certificate with a plate in your name.
Previous reports that H4lf0rds insists on further identification such as a utility bill in your name with the address as that on the V5. At least one report that a store demanded a driving licence with all corresponding details too. Protestations that the law did not require these identifications, nor that the RK must also have utility bills addressed to them, nor was it the case that the RK must have a driving licence went unheeded (IIRC, there was a post on here 'yonks' ago, by someone trying to get a new front plate for a Range Rover and suffering from some or all of the above - Streaky

fish

4,064 posts

313 months

Saturday 30th June 2007
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Just order one off fancy plates delivered next day...

No ID etc needed as produced in Ireland and thus outside the law. The plates are technically illegal as you can order them without the POstcode etc of the maker, you can order them with though.

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

275 months

Saturday 30th June 2007
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A reminder:

Reg 6 and Part 1 The Vehicles Crime (Registration of Registration Plate Suppliers) (England and Wales) Regulations 2002

You will need to produce at least one document from each of the lists below to allow the number plate supplier to confirm your name, address and entitlement. All documents should be original, not copies.

Acceptable documents to confirm identity

a driving licence whether or not issued in the United Kingdom (with or without a photograph). This is preferred because it is a secure, government-issued document showing both name and address

a bill issued by electricity, gas or water supplier, a landline telephone bill or a council tax bill (current within the last six months)

a bank or building society statement

a passport (whether issued or not in the United Kingdom)

a national identity card issued by the Government of a state or territory other than the United Kingdom

a debit or credit card issued by a bank or building society

a police warrant card

an armed forces identity card

Acceptable documents to establish entitlement to the registration mark

Vehicle Registration Certificate (V5C) - this is the preferred document

the tear off slip V5C/2 (section 10) of the V5C

certificate of entitlement to a mark (V750)

cherished transfer retention document (V778)

vehicle licence renewal form (V11)

temporary registration certificate (V379)

authorisation certificate (V948) with official DVLA stamp

a letter of authorisation from a fleet operator (including lease/hire company) - the letter must quote the document reference number from the V5C, not the vehicle identification number

dvd


Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Saturday 30th June 16:24

Richard C

1,685 posts

288 months

Saturday 30th June 2007
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Greendubber said:
Its actually an offence to not carry all your docs about,
err I'm certain its not an offence not to carry your V5. If you know different please tell me which Act / SI and section

groomi

9,331 posts

274 months

Saturday 30th June 2007
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I thought it was only £30 for not displaying a number plate? Either way it doesn't involve any points so it's very tempting to break your numberplates every time you make a journey...

crackthatoff

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3,314 posts

244 months

Saturday 30th June 2007
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groomi said:
I thought it was only £30 for not displaying a number plate? Either way it doesn't involve any points so it's very tempting to break your numberplates every time you make a journey...
Yep most people were missing the point of the post !!!!! glad some one gets it !

groomi

9,331 posts

274 months

Saturday 30th June 2007
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davido140 said:
crackthatoff said:
Bigdoghead said:
crackthatoff said:
davido140 said:
I think I see what you're getting at... you'll prob get pulled by the old bill and fined (£60 ??)

I wouldnt want to be stopped by the same BiB twice!!
why should I get fined when it's only just broken and first thing in the morning I'm going to get a new one ?????
because it's illegal to drive without a number plate, you are driving without one !!!!

the reasons why you're driving without one is irrelevent, nobody forces you to go anywhere, you choose to drive places... and you choose to continue to drive without a number plate.
so you drive x ammount of miles to a destination and it breaks, your telling me your not allowed to continue the journey then?
this is where plods magical "discrection" comes into play, 1st time im sure most resonable BiB would say okey dokey sir, on your way. If however you're thinking to do it on a "permanent" basis then you get stopped by the same BiB twice I can guarantee they will remember you and the proverbial book will get thrown!!!

Edited by davido140 on Saturday 30th June 02:47
...and that would be the big proverbial book containing a maximum £30 (or £60 as someone suggested) fine?

Excuse me while I poop my pants officer...

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

275 months

Saturday 30th June 2007
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They don't have to issue a FPN.

Submit a file to CPS for prosecution and land up with a fine of up to £1000. (VERA 1984).........

Given that I am sure he would poop his pants.

dvd