Westminister - Parking in bay with a G Wiz

[Scogue]

I have a scooter for around london. 3 weeks ago I parked in a bay that had a G-Wiz parked. Normally as long as the meter is fed I can park alongside a car in a single bay. With the meter reading 0.00 and a G Wiz parked free of charge (they are congestion zone exempt and park free too) I assumed my scooter could park free of charge as well. I contested the fine and am now considering a formal representation. Prior to taking the next step I thought I would post here and see what feedback anyone has. My view is that a scooter should not start paying for a bay that is technically free to a type specific car. Would not putting money in the meter constitute feeding? Cheers Chris

[voyds9]

Surely if the bay is occupied it is occupied. What you may have done is stolen a 'free' space.

[streaky]

Scogue said:

I have a scooter for around london. 3 weeks ago I parked in a bay that had a G-Wiz parked. Normally as long as the meter is fed I can park alongside a car in a single bay. ...

It depends on the borough.

Scogue said:

... I assumed my scooter could park free of charge as well. ...

This from London Bike and Scooter (I assume they know better than I):

Parking is generally much easier with a bike around London than a car but there are a few things to consider.

You cannot park anywhere, you can only park a bike

• in a designated bike park
• on private property (for which you have permission)
• in a car park with space set aside for bikes or areas not taking up a paying car space
• on a public road, subject to the same rules and restrictions as cars.

Hints & Tips: make sure your bike is fully within the bike park area - you will get a ticket for parking on the edge.

You cannot park

• on the pavement
• in bus lanes
• on any parking restriction that applies to cars (yellow lines, red lines etc)
• on private property without permission
• anywhere that will cause an obstruction

Varying regulations

Bike parking regulations vary all over London depending on the council. Some London boroughs allow...

• bikes to share a parking-meter space with a car as long as the space is paid for
• bikes to park in residents parking spaces
• bike to use a Pay & Display car space as long as it's paid for at the standard rate [/i]

So it appears that you can't park free alongside a G Wiz.

Streaky

[Dwight VanDriver]

>>>>bikes to share a parking-meter space with a car as long as the space is paid for <<<<<<

So to show when they can and when they cannot what sign do they use S?

dvd

[tigger1]

streaky said:

• bikes to share a parking-meter space with a car as long as the space is paid for
• bikes to park in residents parking spaces
• bike to use a Pay & Display car space as long as it's paid for at the standard rate [/i]

So it appears that you can't park free alongside a G Wiz.
Streaky

Ermm...confused. The G Wiz had paid it's "zero pounds", so the space was paid for.

[Scogue]

I agree Tigger1. The bay had been paid for so why should I start paying for my right to park in a space that was already occupied? Westminster permit scooters to park in metered parks free of charge when they are occupied and paid for by a car. In this instance the vehicle parks free of charge. Looking at it another way, I suppose if I paid for the metered bay and a g wiz showed up the car would park and my charge would be covered. The only difference is who parked last. Does this make a difference to my arguement? I need a solid arguement in my favor. All thoughts would be welcome. Cheers Chris

[streaky]

tigger1 said:

streaky said:

• bikes to share a parking-meter space with a car as long as the space is paid for
• bikes to park in residents parking spaces
• bike to use a Pay & Display car space as long as it's paid for at the standard rate [/i]

So it appears that you can't park free alongside a G Wiz.
Streaky

Ermm...confused. The G Wiz had paid it's "zero pounds", so the space was paid for.

Payment of zero is not "payment" - Streaky

[streaky]

Dwight VanDriver said:

>>>>bikes to share a parking-meter space with a car as long as the space is paid for <<<<<<

So to show when they can and when they cannot what sign do they use S?

dvd

dvd, you're asking me about signage? If you don't know, how the devil am I supposed to? - Streaky

[mph999]

streaky said:

Dwight VanDriver said:

>>>>bikes to share a parking-meter space with a car as long as the space is paid for <<<<<<

So to show when they can and when they cannot what sign do they use S?

dvd

dvd, you're asking me about signage? If you don't know, how the devil am I supposed to? - Streaky

I do believe, if you pay for a space and squeeze say two smart cars into it, providing both are in the space no offence is committed.

You pay for the space, not what is in it.

Martin

[tigger1]

streaky said:

tigger1 said:

streaky said:

• bikes to share a parking-meter space with a car as long as the space is paid for
• bikes to park in residents parking spaces
• bike to use a Pay & Display car space as long as it's paid for at the standard rate [/i]

So it appears that you can't park free alongside a G Wiz.
Streaky

Ermm...confused. The G Wiz had paid it's "zero pounds", so the space was paid for.

Payment of zero is not "payment" - Streaky

Sorry Streaky, I disagree...just ask the DVLA what they charge for a tax-exempt classic car...zero pounds.

[quote=http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=payment]
pay-ment
–noun
1. something that is paid; an amount paid; compensation; recompense.
2. the act of paying.
3. reward or punishment; requital.

Don't see why paying "zero" is non-payment. User goes to meter, parks car, puts in zero pence, and leaves...job done.

[streaky]

tigger1 said:

streaky said:

tigger1 said:

streaky said:

• bikes to share a parking-meter space with a car as long as the space is paid for
• bikes to park in residents parking spaces
• bike to use a Pay & Display car space as long as it's paid for at the standard rate [/i]

So it appears that you can't park free alongside a G Wiz.
Streaky

Ermm...confused. The G Wiz had paid it's "zero pounds", so the space was paid for.

Payment of zero is not "payment" - Streaky

Sorry Streaky, I disagree...just ask the DVLA what they charge for a tax-exempt classic car...zero pounds.

[quote=http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=payment]
pay-ment
–noun
1. something that is paid; an amount paid; compensation; recompense.
2. the act of paying.
3. reward or punishment; requital.

Don't see why paying "zero" is non-payment. User goes to meter, parks car, puts in zero pence, and leaves...job done.

In the vernacular, I can't be arsed to argue and have no desire to pick a fight with anyone less well-armed than I; but suffice it to say that "to pay" is an active verb - Streaky

[odyssey2200]

so the Gwizz can part FOC and have the whole space to itself.

seems kinda pedantic and over zelous to ticket you for sharing the same space.

Serves no purpose.