RE: Camera vans on the decline?
RE: Camera vans on the decline?
Wednesday 18th July 2007

Camera vans on the decline?

MCN survey reveals a drop in the number of speed camera vans


On the decline?
On the decline?
Motorcycle News has found your chances of seeing a speed camera van on UK roads are up to 60 per cent less than last year, following an investigation by the paper.

The paper reports: “Funding changes brought in by Government have plunged speed camera authorities into chaos and led to drastic cuts in the number of hours spent enforcing the limits, an MCN investigation has found.”

“Under the Government’s National Safety Camera Programme, partnerships between police forces and local councils were set up to run cameras using fine money. That scheme was scrapped in April, leaving local councils to pay for cameras out of a general road safety grant. Now the partnerships have been forced to shut down websites and are struggling to find the staff to man mobile speed cameras. In some cases confusion reigns over whether the ‘safety camera partnerships’ still exist.”

“In Gloucestershire mobile speed cameras spent a total of 164 hours catching speeders in June 2006 but only 69 hours doing so this June. It means enforcement levels last month were only 42% of their level last year. The actual number of mobile cameras also fell, from three in June 2006 to two last month. Gloucestershire Safety Camera Partnership blamed the fall on staff shortages, saying vacancies were currently being filled.”

“In Northamptonshire the partnership’s official response reported a fall of 17% in the time speed cameras vans were active in June 2007 compared to June 2006.”

 “MCN asked camera partnerships across the UK for the same information under the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act. In nine counties to so far respond, mobile speed cameras were deployed for 19% fewer hours in June 2007 than June 2006. The rest have until the end of the month to respond under the FOI Act.”

 Paul Smith, founder of SafeSpeed.org.uk, said: "So it looks like speed cameras are finally fading away. That's good, but it's nowhere near good enough. The decline of speed cameras will be a relief to motorists, but it is essential to road safety that we scrap speed cameras - with considerable ceremony - if we are to start to shift the dangerously false road safety dogma that supports them."

"This reduction in speed camera activity is the direct and deliberate result of the new funding arrangements from Department for Transport. It is perfectly clear - and not at all surprising - that Department for Transport has lost confidence in the speed camera programme. I am extremely angry that they do not have the courage or the decency to come out and say so. Clearly they would rather save face than save lives."

"Speed cameras have failed as a road safety policy. We must scrap the lot and move on to policies that will actually save lives on our roads."

"All our speed cameras are in the wrong places - they should be in the scrap yard."

www.motorcyclenews.com

www.safespeed.org.uk

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mjdriver

Original Poster:

40 posts

262 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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Hoorah... its a start

grahambell

2,720 posts

306 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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Be interesting to see if this reduction in 'safety camera' vans leads to an increase in accidents. If it doesn't - and hopefully it won't - then this government's road safety policy will be shown up as a sham.

Sir Jonny

630 posts

241 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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I totally agree. It will be interesting to see accident figures.

More police cars and officers I say. They can target general bad driving rather than people who stray a couple of mph over the limit.

Also on the subject of things how much extra would it cost to turn highway patrol officers into police so that they can do some good.

I hate speed cameras due to their binary approach to law breaking but am not pig headed enough to think that well trained, reasonable police officers are not totally necessary.

Dogwatch

6,384 posts

253 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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I don't think any monopoly or public organisation should be allowed to benefit from fines and penalties it imposes. Too much scope for 'enterprise'.

Bunglist

545 posts

261 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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Thats brilliant news, so just another few to get rid of then. biggrin

They say in this article that the money from fines would go to fund this scamera network, and now the government have changed there mind, probably that muppet Gordon Brown so now it all goes into the huge black hole he calls an economy. ( I suppose that is a good thing as the scamera vans are on the decline)

Work-Shy-Wanabe

1,548 posts

257 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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grahambell said:
Be interesting to see if this reduction in 'safety camera' vans leads to an increase in accidents. If it doesn't - and hopefully it won't - then this government's road safety policy will be shown up as a sham.
The original articles lacking without that really, it would be really interesting and make a case for speed cameras either way.

alphadog

2,049 posts

264 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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Norfolk/Suffolk/Linconshire was crawling with them yesterday - I passed 4 on my way to Norwich and back (Nottingham) yikes

Had my first experience of the A14 SPECS as well - what a useless scheme - I touched 65 once on the whole stretch. The daftest thing is that if you get a brief moment where you can do 90, chances are your average speed will still be within tolerance.

Work-Shy-Wanabe

1,548 posts

257 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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alphadog said:
Norfolk/Suffolk/Linconshire was crawling with them yesterday - I passed 4 on my way to Norwich and back (Nottingham) yikes

Had my first experience of the A14 SPECS as well - what a useless scheme - I touched 65 once on the whole stretch. The daftest thing is that if you get a brief moment where you can do 90, chances are your average speed will still be within tolerance.
You should always try to do 120mph for half the way and then 30mph for the other half! Thats the only way to be sure!

minimac

8,012 posts

234 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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Are the number of static ones (eg GATSO's) down too? Any stats for them?

Shakiras peaches

5,910 posts

245 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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alphadog said:
Norfolk/Suffolk/Linconshire was crawling with them yesterday - I passed 4 on my way to Norwich and back (Nottingham) yikes

Had my first experience of the A14 SPECS as well - what a useless scheme - I touched 65 once on the whole stretch. The daftest thing is that if you get a brief moment where you can do 90, chances are your average speed will still be within tolerance.
Christ, did you get lost? You shouldn't go through Suffolk when you go from Nottingham to Norwich biglaugh

Shakiras peaches

5,910 posts

245 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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Shakiras peaches said:
alphadog said:
Norfolk/Suffolk/Linconshire was crawling with them yesterday - I passed 4 on my way to Norwich and back (Nottingham) yikes

Had my first experience of the A14 SPECS as well - what a useless scheme - I touched 65 once on the whole stretch. The daftest thing is that if you get a brief moment where you can do 90, chances are your average speed will still be within tolerance.
Christ, did you get lost? You shouldn't go through Suffolk when you go from Nottingham to Norwich biglaugh
Actually, maybe you do.. getmecoatbiglaugh

Accelebrate

5,695 posts

246 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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Didn't they recently order more for Oxfordshire. Boo.

A57 HSV

1,510 posts

261 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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I've noticed fewer vans in the Bath/Bristol area this year. However, I've noticed them more frequently on the M4. Guess the motorway must the best place to "raise revenue".

littleblue

20 posts

253 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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hang on folks...

the report is in MCN and its not called "the Comic" for nothing....

so, i wouldnt start hooting and hollaring just yet, as its not often their scoops are true

MilnerR

8,273 posts

289 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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They are certainly being used a lot more cynically than previously. The van on the cat road used to be parked in full view in a layby near the turning for derbyshire bridge. Now it's tucked in amongst the parked cars opposite the cat and fiddle pub, it's much harder to spot. It'd be interesting to get a idea of the number of fines handed out by mobile units in the last 12 months. I bet they haven't dropped by 60% rolleyes

Apache

39,731 posts

315 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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It could be true, Hypothication has ended now and all revenue from scameras should go in Gordons bottomless pockets, the SCPs now have grants with which to make their roads safer any way they please. It must, therefor, be uneconomical to, for instance, replace a camera that has been vandalised rolleyes

JoolzB

3,549 posts

280 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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SafeSpeed said:
"This reduction in speed camera activity is the direct and deliberate result of the new funding arrangements from Department for Transport. It is perfectly clear - and not at all surprising - that Department for Transport has lost confidence in the speed camera programme. I am extremely angry that they do not have the courage or the decency to come out and say so. Clearly they would rather save face than save lives."
That's not how I see it, more like the gov't wanting some of the cash rather than giving it to the scamsships (unless I misunderstand how it works of course). It would certainly surprise me if the dft admitted scams are not benefitting road safety.

dazren

22,612 posts

292 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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If there are less scamera vans out there, this just means they'll be positioning themselves in maximising revenue locations rather than real danger hotspots. As mentioned above there has been a surprising number of spottings on motorways of late.

CTE

1,523 posts

271 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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I would have agreed to this article up until yesterday. I travel Norfolk to Leicester regularly on the A14 etc. Yesterday I saw a van tucked into the hard shoulder/hedge just before the Newmarket services, heading in the Norwich direction. This van was clearly placed to be difficult to see. It is a good place to slow the idiots down however, because the entrance and exit to the services is relatively obscured, especially in heavy traffic, but then usually in heavy traffic you are stuck at speeds within the speed limit, because some selfish lorry driver is travelling at 0.002mph faster than the one infront etc etc....
I then saw a further two in Leicester.

I have not seen any for ages, and yesterday I saw 3, doing no good to anyone, other than make people react unpredictably when they eventually woke up and spotted them.

i want an aero

642 posts

237 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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if it's true then a good start, i would prefer to have the idiots removed rather than a slightly momentry lapse cost me £60 and 3 points