Can they get you like this ....
Can they get you like this ....
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boxster

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56 posts

271 months

Friday 30th May 2003
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I was just reading the thread "unsigned nip, anyone actually gone to court" and this question occured to me:

Do the police ever prosecute a driver who was either below the threshold for the camera but still above the actual speed limit, or going the other way, because he appeared in a photograph caused by either a faster driver or one going the right way for the camera?

madcop

6,649 posts

283 months

Saturday 31st May 2003
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Do the police ever prosecute a driver who was either below the threshold for the camera but still above the actual speed limit, or going the other way, because he appeared in a photograph caused by either a faster driver or one going the right way for the camera?


The answer is No

>> Edited by madcop on Saturday 31st May 05:58

mrsd

1,502 posts

273 months

Saturday 31st May 2003
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Once got a very odd letter related to this from Cheshire Police, asking me to confirm that I'd been passing a given Gatso, at 43mph in a 40 limit and enclosing the photo, but confirming that no action would be taken. The camera had fired because I was being overtaken by a paramedic doing IRO 60mph. Any ideas as to what that was about ?

dontlift

9,396 posts

278 months

Saturday 31st May 2003
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Probably trying to prosecute the paramedic

joust

14,622 posts

279 months

Saturday 31st May 2003
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Gatso's have a switch inside them that allows them to work in forward or rear facing mode, but they need to be *set* to do one or the other as the doppler effect calculations the radar uses has to be changed depending if the car is going towards or against you.

However, it seems the manufacturers have used the ABS() function in their software that makes them go off the wrong way - but as madcop says they can't do you for it because just taking the ABS does not give the correct speed for a car going towards the camera (as the rardar is set at an angle across the road)

J

boxster

Original Poster:

56 posts

271 months

Saturday 31st May 2003
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Thanks guys. I must admit I've always gone past gatsos at less than the speed limit just in case I get caught in someone else's photograph. It looks like I needn't be quite so careful.

edc

9,458 posts

271 months

Saturday 31st May 2003
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mrsd said: Once got a very odd letter related to this from Cheshire Police, asking me to confirm that I'd been passing a given Gatso, at 43mph in a 40 limit and enclosing the photo, but confirming that no action would be taken. The camera had fired because I was being overtaken by a paramedic doing IRO 60mph. Any ideas as to what that was about ?


Why do you need to confirm this? Is there an obligation on you to confirm? It seems they had no intention of fining you but they might change their mind if you said 'yes, I admit I was speeding'.

madcop

6,649 posts

283 months

Saturday 31st May 2003
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Strange thing happened to me the other noght in a 40 limit covered by Gatso. I was on blues and doing about 95 as I went through the site, overtaking a car within the markings and the camera was not activated. I had previously activated the camera earlier that evening and again later on after the overtake. I can only assume that the machine was confused about both vehicles in the radar picture so did not function!

I will find out why when I am on day shifts next week and can get to the speed enforcement office.

deltaf

6,806 posts

273 months

Saturday 31st May 2003
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Thats what i love about Gatso shite mate, theyre 100% reliable and accurate!
NOT!

rat

178 posts

281 months

Saturday 31st May 2003
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The received signal will contain a lot of frequencies and will be transformed to extract the strongest one, which is converted to a speed. Thus probably filtering out the lower level signal from your car because it was further away. If it did get a strong signal from both cars it would have returned a silly speed that the processor would probably be set to ignore.

Or, it recognised you - do you just do figure of eights on that road all night to look busy?

Chrisgr31

14,180 posts

275 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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I was just reading the thread "unsigned nip, anyone actually gone to court" and this question occured to me:

Do the police ever prosecute a driver who was either below the threshold for the camera but still above the actual speed limit, or going the other way, because he appeared in a photograph caused by either a faster driver or one going the right way for the camera?


On a similar vein but slightly different. What about vehicles that have a lower speed limit than cars like lorries? Presumably they can speed whereever they like as long as they don't exceed the car limit. No danget of getting caught as manual speed checks seem to be as regular as a week of Sundays?

ribol

11,848 posts

278 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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joust said: Gatso's have a switch inside them that allows them to work in forward or rear facing mode, but they need to be *set* to do one or the other as the doppler effect calculations the radar uses has to be changed depending if the car is going towards or against you.

However, it seems the manufacturers have used the ABS() function in their software that makes them go off the wrong way - but as madcop says they can't do you for it because just taking the ABS does not give the correct speed for a car going towards the camera (as the rardar is set at an angle across the road)

J




I have never seen a Gatso with the lines on the road before it (on my side of the road) would this not suggest they are only used from behind?

Ivan

joust

14,622 posts

279 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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Technically they can do both - but from memory don't have type approval for doing front facing as the flash is considered to dangerous going off directly in peoples eyes - hence the Truvelo with an IR flash.

J

boxster

Original Poster:

56 posts

271 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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Apparently Gatsos can actually distinguish between lorries and cars as lorries product a bigger signal.

I've seen several instances of lines on both sides of the road - there presumably to catch overtakers.

madcop

6,649 posts

283 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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rat said: The received signal will contain a lot of frequencies and will be transformed to extract the strongest one, which is converted to a speed. Thus probably filtering out the lower level signal from your car because it was further away. If it did get a strong signal from both cars it would have returned a silly speed that the processor would probably be set to ignore.

Or, it recognised you - do you just do figure of eights on that road all night to look busy?



I have activated this particular camera since its installation some three months ago on average two or three times a day. The highest number was 8 in a shift. It is on a major route out of the area I work in and is the best arterial route to access most of the area I work in. It is a complete Pain in the ar5e as I am getting snowed under with NIP exemptions to fill in. I cannot remember a site having a camera active in it for so long. Most of the shots taken must be me and other Police vehicles.

At least it is using up the film!

mrs fish

30,018 posts

278 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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madcop said:

At least it is using up the film!




I am liking your thought process

deltaf

6,806 posts

273 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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Way to go Madcop!!!

simonrockman

7,056 posts

275 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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Well if you've any NIP exemption forms going spare...