Appaling driving by plod.
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Was driving around near Ascot last night behind 2 other cars when we came to a deserted round about. Of course all three of us proceed to make our way around. Each entrance to the round about is pretty well sheilded by trees so you can't see whats coming until you are pretty much ready to join. Anyways, as we go round, plod comes shooting onto the round-about from the next junction and comes right up onto my tail. Of course I move over, but the plod then just shoots past and rides the tail of the next car. No siren either, just flashing lights.
I was completely livid. I thought it was completly appaling driving and was something I wouldn't have expected from the police. I had a right mind to take the car details, but in a flash they were off.
Was that a panda jockey? They make me merrrraaaaaad.......[banghead][/banghead]......... that's better.......
Recently nearly cut in half by one who suddenly turned right with no signals. I was stationary.
Then the one who stood on the middle pedal and turned left....with no signal.
And it keeps on happening. Why???
Had to chuckle at the young lady PC receiving instruction in a 306 with strobes and sound. She stopped at a junction and waved me on.....! Accepted the offer, of course.
Instructor looked a bit miffed before turning purple.
Recently nearly cut in half by one who suddenly turned right with no signals. I was stationary.
Then the one who stood on the middle pedal and turned left....with no signal.
And it keeps on happening. Why???
Had to chuckle at the young lady PC receiving instruction in a 306 with strobes and sound. She stopped at a junction and waved me on.....! Accepted the offer, of course.
Instructor looked a bit miffed before turning purple.
Just for the record,if i posted on here everytime i saw MOPs driving like idiots then i would never get away from this computer.
All that you saw was a couple of minutes driving by the Police......you have no idea what or where they were going, so just as Madcop repeatedly states "assumptions are being made WITH only half a story".
Still.....if that keeps you happy then so be it!
I feel better for that...hmmmmmmmmm.
All that you saw was a couple of minutes driving by the Police......you have no idea what or where they were going, so just as Madcop repeatedly states "assumptions are being made WITH only half a story".
Still.....if that keeps you happy then so be it!
I feel better for that...hmmmmmmmmm.
so do you have the curent figers on how many or the public are ingered or killed by police on 999 calls a year ?
NATIONWIDE POLICE ACCIDENT COMPENSATION CLAIM SERVICE
They're loud, highly visible, in a hurry and in your rear view mirror, however speed and safety rarely go together and in 2001-02 there were 44 deaths and hundreds of other serious injuries arising as a result of a police accident. Blue lights do not give the Police priority over other road vehicles but merely serve to indicate their presence. In many Police pursuits there is an inadequate risk assessment resulting in inappropriate decisions being taken by police drivers notwithstanding their rigorous training. Police drivers have exemptions from road traffic regulations including observing red lights however they are still liable for their negligent actions if they do not take sufficient care to protect members of the public. Failure to do so will make The Police Authority liable to pay compensation for any injuries that occur in a police accident even when in pursuit of a dangerous criminal. The Police cannot ignore red lights and they must give way to traffic going through on green.
According to a report from the Police Complaints Authority, the number of people killed during police chases has more than tripled in the past four years. Research conducted by the authority found that the police are continuing to put the public at risk by engaging in unnecessary and dangerous high-speed chases. Collisions involving police cars between 1998 and 2001 resulted in 91 deaths and the rate of fatalities or serious injuries caused as a result of police chases is accelerating. The report recommended that police chases and should be authorised from the control rooms, that unmarked police cars should be banned from taking part in high-speed chases altogether and that drivers' discretion to chase be reduced by increasing management control on the evolution of pursuits. The report suggested that officers should not be able to pursue cars unless they had a "clear, centrally agreed strategy for attempting to stop the vehicle safely" and indicates that the police continue to engage in too many pursuits that endanger public safety. Forces may need to consider whether officers who pursue without control room permission, or who fail to adequately communicate risk, or who fail to pull over when instructed to call off a chase by the control room, should be at risk of being disciplined as a result.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2069362.stm
personal I have wicknesed many near serous acsidents. invoing police cars and seen em do some real dumb shit in my time.
>> Edited by outlaw on Tuesday 3rd June 01:47
NATIONWIDE POLICE ACCIDENT COMPENSATION CLAIM SERVICE
They're loud, highly visible, in a hurry and in your rear view mirror, however speed and safety rarely go together and in 2001-02 there were 44 deaths and hundreds of other serious injuries arising as a result of a police accident. Blue lights do not give the Police priority over other road vehicles but merely serve to indicate their presence. In many Police pursuits there is an inadequate risk assessment resulting in inappropriate decisions being taken by police drivers notwithstanding their rigorous training. Police drivers have exemptions from road traffic regulations including observing red lights however they are still liable for their negligent actions if they do not take sufficient care to protect members of the public. Failure to do so will make The Police Authority liable to pay compensation for any injuries that occur in a police accident even when in pursuit of a dangerous criminal. The Police cannot ignore red lights and they must give way to traffic going through on green.
According to a report from the Police Complaints Authority, the number of people killed during police chases has more than tripled in the past four years. Research conducted by the authority found that the police are continuing to put the public at risk by engaging in unnecessary and dangerous high-speed chases. Collisions involving police cars between 1998 and 2001 resulted in 91 deaths and the rate of fatalities or serious injuries caused as a result of police chases is accelerating. The report recommended that police chases and should be authorised from the control rooms, that unmarked police cars should be banned from taking part in high-speed chases altogether and that drivers' discretion to chase be reduced by increasing management control on the evolution of pursuits. The report suggested that officers should not be able to pursue cars unless they had a "clear, centrally agreed strategy for attempting to stop the vehicle safely" and indicates that the police continue to engage in too many pursuits that endanger public safety. Forces may need to consider whether officers who pursue without control room permission, or who fail to adequately communicate risk, or who fail to pull over when instructed to call off a chase by the control room, should be at risk of being disciplined as a result.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2069362.stm
personal I have wicknesed many near serous acsidents. invoing police cars and seen em do some real dumb shit in my time.
>> Edited by outlaw on Tuesday 3rd June 01:47
outlaw said: so do you have the curent figers on how many or the public are ingered or killed by police on 999 calls a year ?
I know why dont we just take "risk£ out of every day life - no one would then get hurt Outlaw
The Police could amswer calls at 30 mph in a 30 zone and that way no "little children" would get injured by the nasty police person.
Oh boy
I know youre a responsible citizen whose handle does in no way reflect his outlook on life
and that therefore entitles you to pass comment in an informed way on the skills employed in driving all day everyday to answer the calls of the demanding public
Join the fuzz Ooulaw and feel "the Force"
It might just clear your mind!
toad_oftoadhall said: The police kill or injure 800 people on the raod each year. I kill nobody.
I get 9 points for 8 minutes on a dual carriageway.
Is 8 minutes at under 90 *really* worse than 800 injured or dead?
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A lot of those 800 are hurt when fcukwit TWOCkers don't stop when told - don't blame the Plod for them, blame the TWOCker. Most of the rest wouldn't be hurt if they got out of the way when they saw the 3 tons of brilliant white (or more often nowadays star silver) steel with lights flashing and sirens blazing coming towards them, instead of walking out in front of it and expecting it to stop on a sixpence.
You may not have killed anybody - yet. Pray to whichever God you believe in it stays that way. There's no doubt that some Plod shouldn't be in charge of a Tonka toy, leave alone a response car; but they are in the minority. The rest are just trying to do their job in a climate of ever-increasing difficulty imposed on them by the 'wontsomeonethinkofthechildren' lentilist Guardian-reading feckwits.
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There, I feel better now
>> Edited by loaf on Tuesday 3rd June 11:03
toad_oftoadhall said: The police kill or injure 800 people on the raod each year. I kill nobody.
In my force, we have to respond to between 1500 and 2500 emergency calls every day. These calls are prioritised by control room operators, many of whom are not Police officers and have never had any experience of making progress to attend them.
There are three categories of response. The ones which require instant response are graded as immediate. Many of these calls are graded as immediate response.
There are a number of traffic Patrol vehicles on duty in the force as you would expect. There will not be anymore than 30 crews to cover the whole force which is geographically large. They can only attend one incident at a time and some take many more than a few minutes to resolve.
You can see therefore that on a bad day 2500 calls (about 60% of these will be immediate response calls)will not get a response from an advanced driver. Many have to be answered by panda drivers. Many panda drivers are not really even interested in driving other than it gets them from one place to another and to get through a panda course allows them to do so, sometimes under blue lights.
No Police officer whatever standard of driver he/she happens to be, wants to become involved in any accident. I do not know of any officer that would put their own health at risk as a result of reckless decisions regarding any incident including driving whilst getting there. None of of actually like hospital environments or pain.
No one I know wants to be involved in hurting an innocent member of the public when trying to respond to calls for help.
We are though, just the same as everyone on this site and that is human and liable to make errors.
If you take the number of jobs responded to in my force alone everyday at immediate response and mulitply it by the 43 forces across England and Wales,
(some forces will have a larger number of jobs and some less), you can see that there are a huge number of immediate calls answered daily by Police officers of all standards of driving. Even if the number of immediate jobs averaged at 500 per force per day, that is obviously 21,500 nationally.
21,500 immedite responses per day X 365 days in the year = 7,847,500 immediate calls answered (I suspect that it is many more than that)
The Police kill or injure 800 people a year.
Amongst that number will be those that are injured or killed, trying to escape from the Police. Also included will be those that kill or injure members of the public in their attempts to avoid capture.
800 incidents of death and injury are not good but you have to be realistic when you look at what is really happening out there.
Nearly 8 million calls for help are answered in my estimation every year for 800 incidents of injury or death to innocent members of the public.
ACPO are very concerned about the numbers who are injured as a result of the police going about their business and are actively trying to reduce that number by introducing technical devices to vehicles and to improve driver training.
Not every Policeman/woman wants to be, aspires to be or even has an interest in becoming Fangio.
The majority want to help the public when they are in trouble because that is why they joined in the first place.
I get 9 points for 8 minutes on a dual carriageway.
Is 8 minutes at under 90 *really* worse than 800 injured or dead?
No it is not but you are speeding only for you and no other person. It is for your benefit, whatever that might be, whether it is because you are late or you just decide to have some fun. You benefit no one other than yourself and put others at risk in the process.
When you speed and get caught you are doing it under completely different pressures from that of a Police officer responding to an immediate committment. Things change as time passes, sometimes very quickly in relation to a particular job being attended. Not all the required important information is initially given when a response is put out over the radio for attendnace.
The last thing that you are told when you leave the driving school is that No call is so important as to justify an accident
This has lived with me in particular and it is absolutely right.
As a member of the public expecting an immediate response to whatever their plight happens to be, canthey say the same in relation to the officer attending their incident. I would hope they could but ai somewhat doubt it. "I want you here and I want you here now" is the reaction I generally get
Another quote that is given to Police drivers is It is better to get there late, than not to arrive at all
Police driving is about risk.
Police drivers do their best to minimise those risks.
Members of the road using public do not always make that as easy as it could be
Unless you have completed even the standard Police driving course and seen what is taught and what is expected, then you should not really be in a position to criticise unless you are referring to a completed investigation of an individual instance where the Police driver was found to be at fault.
I can use a computer. I often make mistakes on it but muddle my way through. I am not an expert or even trained in computing.
Experts in computing do make mistakes sometimes which cause major problems. I would not criticise someone who is trained in the use of a computer unless I really new what I was talking about.
Can all of you say the same?
Its the negative responces on here that makes me glad I'm no longer in the Police (not my choice). Expected to get to urgent calls in poxy 1.4 astras/ escort. You get grief if you don't get there in time and hung out to dry if the wheel comes off trying to get their in time. They can't win
Madcop, (nothing personal, just playing devil's advocate, again),
If 800 are injured in 8m trips it works out at a 1:10,000 chance of being involved in an accident when on call.
What is the ratio of all injuries per year against total number of trips (i.e. is it 1,000 injuries and 100m trips a year or 10,000 injuries and 5bn trips per year).
My conservative estimation is 12,000 KSI (rounded up DFT figure for 2002) for 5.2bn (10 trips per driver per week x 52 weeks x 10 million drivers) equates to a 1:430,000 ratio.
This rough estimate means that the average driver is 4 times LESS likely to be involved in a KSI incident than a police driver.
If 800 are injured in 8m trips it works out at a 1:10,000 chance of being involved in an accident when on call.
What is the ratio of all injuries per year against total number of trips (i.e. is it 1,000 injuries and 100m trips a year or 10,000 injuries and 5bn trips per year).
My conservative estimation is 12,000 KSI (rounded up DFT figure for 2002) for 5.2bn (10 trips per driver per week x 52 weeks x 10 million drivers) equates to a 1:430,000 ratio.
This rough estimate means that the average driver is 4 times LESS likely to be involved in a KSI incident than a police driver.
Madcop and other Rozzers:
Forgive me, just feeling a little bitter today.
Quality well reasoned responses which I can't really formulate an argument with.
I will make one point though. The public are *only* looking to score points of rozzers because we've been criminalised and are constantly under the threat of a totting up ban. (You can go from clean to a totting up ban in the space of seconds in the UK today)
So if people make unfair comments (which I accept I just have) then is it really suprising?
Catching a few burglars and laying off the trivial speeding NIP's would make national heroes of the rozzers.
As a kid I was taught by example to respect rozzers, as my parents did. Today both my middle class middle aged parent openly laugh and the police.
I come from a tiny village in the Cotswolds. A police stand came to our village church fete. 15 years aago he'd have been welcome. I was on the book stall 30 yards away and not one person went to chat and there was a real frosty attitude to him. This is not a band of thugs we're talking about. This is pensioners and people with families.
Two unsolved burglaries in the village and everyone at risk of points for speeding.
So yeah. Most People are saying unfair things about the UK police forces. But it took a lot of police effort to create that situation. Middle england didn't jsut decide to hate rozzers. We've been criminalized while shoplifters get off with a caution and we dont like it.
I'm curious now. What happened?
Forgive me, just feeling a little bitter today.
Quality well reasoned responses which I can't really formulate an argument with.
I will make one point though. The public are *only* looking to score points of rozzers because we've been criminalised and are constantly under the threat of a totting up ban. (You can go from clean to a totting up ban in the space of seconds in the UK today)
So if people make unfair comments (which I accept I just have) then is it really suprising?
Catching a few burglars and laying off the trivial speeding NIP's would make national heroes of the rozzers.
As a kid I was taught by example to respect rozzers, as my parents did. Today both my middle class middle aged parent openly laugh and the police.
I come from a tiny village in the Cotswolds. A police stand came to our village church fete. 15 years aago he'd have been welcome. I was on the book stall 30 yards away and not one person went to chat and there was a real frosty attitude to him. This is not a band of thugs we're talking about. This is pensioners and people with families.
Two unsolved burglaries in the village and everyone at risk of points for speeding.
So yeah. Most People are saying unfair things about the UK police forces. But it took a lot of police effort to create that situation. Middle england didn't jsut decide to hate rozzers. We've been criminalized while shoplifters get off with a caution and we dont like it.
Phil Dicky said: Its the negative responces on here that makes me glad I'm no longer in the Police (not my choice
I'm curious now. What happened?
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