Police using motorway instead of hard shoulder?
Police using motorway instead of hard shoulder?
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Prince Rupert

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430 posts

236 months

Wednesday 1st August 2007
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On the M11 between Cambridge and Stansted a few Sundays ago. maybe 5pm. Traffic was stopped both lanes full. After a while a white van with blue lights flashing and siren going comes along no other markings followed 5 mins later by an identical one. What was strange is, although the hard shoulder was clear both vans insisted on driving down the middle between both lanes of stationary traffic and getting everyone to move out of the way. Why would they use a stationary motorway instead of the hard shoulder? Hard shoulder would have been much faster. Thought maybe there would be an obstruction on the hard shoulder further along but saw nothing (also no reason for the traffic jam really, other then heavy weight of traffic)

Bing o

15,184 posts

250 months

Wednesday 1st August 2007
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Hard shoulder - chance of coming across broken down vehicle.

Generally full of all the shit that gets swept off the motorway.

Like asking an F1 driver why he drives on the same line as the car in front rather than the marbles on the side...

mouseymousey

2,642 posts

268 months

Wednesday 1st August 2007
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Bing o said:
Hard shoulder - chance of coming across broken down vehicle.

Generally full of all the shit that gets swept off the motorway.

Like asking an F1 driver why he drives on the same line as the car in front rather than the marbles on the side...
Even with the possibility of coming across a broken down vehicle, and with all the crap on there I would have thought it would still be quicker than going through the middle of 2 lanes of stationary traffic.

I guess not though.

Bing o

15,184 posts

250 months

Wednesday 1st August 2007
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quicker, until you hit a bit of truck....


Prince Rupert

Original Poster:

430 posts

236 months

Wednesday 1st August 2007
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Oh, I thought half the reason they were there is so police could get to accidents quickly

Sgt Bilko

1,929 posts

246 months

Wednesday 1st August 2007
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Van? Sure it was BiB van? If so, definitely not Motorway or Traffic unit then. Won't be responding to a motorway shout (only traffic allowed to deal with jobs on motorway for safety). May not know they can run the hard shoulder. May not have been BiB.

Prince Rupert

Original Poster:

430 posts

236 months

Wednesday 1st August 2007
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Long wheel-base white vans with blue lights and sirens but no markings at all. Quite near Stansted so thought maybe something to do with airport security

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

275 months

Wednesday 1st August 2007
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Bravo Oscar Mike Bravo Disposal?.

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TPS

1,860 posts

244 months

Wednesday 1st August 2007
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Here is what happens sometimes when you run the hard shoulder etc where all the dirt is containing nails sharp metal etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4wshImVcN4

The example starts at 5 minutes in though.

V8 EOL - Rich

2,782 posts

253 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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That example shows how lorry drivers cant see behind them given the crap viability the get from the mirrors.

50/50 if you ask me.

TPS

1,860 posts

244 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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You may have missed out on this point

The example starts at 5 minutes in though

Ie the example i am on about is 5 minutes into the clip so forget the bit about the lorry.

TPS

1,860 posts

244 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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V8 EOL - Rich said:
That example shows how lorry drivers cant see behind them given the crap viability the get from the mirrors.

50/50 if you ask me.
As for 50/50.Not if you ask me.Lorry is not allowed in lane 3 crap viability or not.So should not have been there to collide with,therefore lorry drivers fault.

BIG DUNC

1,925 posts

254 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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Regarding the lorry, I agree 50/50. If you are driving at 130, you cannot expect someone to be anticipating you are there, especialy given the lorrys limited view behind. ( on the other hand, what was he doing pulling into lane 3, when it was about to merge with lane 2 before the roundabout anyway.) Whats the betting that the lorry driver was given full blame for the incident?
Whats the betting the silver BMW driver is still to this day blissfully unaware what a narrow escape he has had.

Regarding the hard shoulder, it looked like he got his puncture from the ( non existant ) lane by the central resevation, not the hard shoulder. You would expect this to have more debris on it, as it really is never used, unlike the hard shoulder, which propably does get more stop start use.

Out of interest, every time PC Langley smashes a car, does he have to go through a full investigation? The tyre incident did not look like his fault. The lorry I do think was 50/50. Yes the lorry driver was technicaly wrong, but he could not have reasonably expected someone doing that speed up behind him, and, as the road was on a curve, even looking in his mirrors, he may really not have been able to see the car coming up behind him. At the end of the day, the tax payer has to mend the damage to the police cars. However, as a tax payer, I appreciate the very nature of what he is doing may mean a few bent cars. What I really don't want, is for the tax payer to then have to pay for hours of bullshit investigation as well. He may have made an error of judgement, or he may have been unlucky. Lets not spend hundreds of man hours deciding. Just let him get on with his job. Obviously, if one person has too many "errors of jugdement / unlucky's" you have to look into it. Any BiB car to comment? I have no axe to grind, just interested.

polus

4,343 posts

256 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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Complete arrogance. The lorry was indicating so why didn’t he think defensively especially given the speed? Then he has the cheek to go on about the lorry driving not anticipating his actions. Utter twaddle! He should have anticipated that the lorry driver was moving as indicated into lane 3 (regardless of who was right or wrong because that doesn’t matter when you’re dead squashed up against the barrier). Even more prevalent if as in the comments that lane 3 filters off. It’s not that he fked up, he’s only human but the piss boiler is he blames the lorry driver entirely.

Edited by polus on Thursday 2nd August 21:50

R_U_LOCAL

2,708 posts

239 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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polus said:
Complete arrogance. The lorry was indicating so why didn’t he think defensively especially given the speed? Then he has the cheek to go on about the lorry driving not anticipating his actions. Utter twaddle! He should have anticipated that the lorry driver was moving as indicated into lane 3 (regardless of who was right or wrong because that doesn’t matter when you’re dead squashed up against the barrier). Even more prevalent if as in the comments that lane 3 filters off. It’s not that he fked up, he’s only human but the piss boiler is he blames the lorry driver entirely.

Edited by polus on Thursday 2nd August 21:50
I imagine that PC Langley recieved some very strong words of advice regarding that incident.

Marcellus

7,210 posts

250 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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The Officer was lucky (on both counts) got to feel for the lorry driver though as even had he checked his mirror then the police car was invisible....check the angles...the road was bending to the left the police vehicle was to the right......."if you can't see my mirrors I can't see you"

So it's a clear motorway, coming to a roundabout, 3rd lane is about to disappear...a lorry in lane 1 starts to indicate right...you've already seen it's a clear motorway so it's not the start of an overtaking manouver surely an adavanced driver would think.....why's he doing that and how far is he going to come over bearing in mind I'm doing 120mph, he's doing 56mph we're coming to a roundabout and this lane disappears......surely it wouldn't take a brain scientist to guess where the lorry is going???

polus

4,343 posts

256 months

Marcellus

7,210 posts

250 months

Friday 3rd August 2007
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classic said:
Ronnie watch the car !!
Samurai man ex-copper too!!