R v Abraham 1979?

[scobbo]

Can any squeaky types on here advise me as to what R v Abraham 1979 was all about? It is refered to in ACPO guidelines on police driver training which go on to recommend that vehicles should not be taken to more than 90% of their top whack (ACPO expression!).

[vonhosen]

scobbo said:

Can any squeaky types on here advise me as to what R v Abraham 1979 was all about? It is refered to in ACPO guidelines on police driver training which go on to recommend that vehicles should not be taken to more than 90% of their top whack (ACPO expression!).

It is the stated case that is often referred to with respect to use of exemptions for Police driver training. I have a copy, what do you want to know specifically ?

[Dibble]

Have you tried Googling it?

If no joy, I'll have a look when I'm back at the fun factory tomorrow.

[scobbo]

I am mugging up on driving regs for a board next week and it is refered to in relation to driver training guidlines on speed. I am just curious as to whom Abraham was and what he did? I have tried Googling it to no avail. As a result of the guidelines that the case produced I guess that he was a police officer who came unstuck whilst travelling at 100%. I have visions of a Rover P6 or similar screaming along at 108mph!

[vonhosen]

scobbo said:

I am mugging up on driving regs for a board next week and it is refered to in relation to driver training guidlines on speed. I am just curious as to whom Abraham was and what he did? I have tried Googling it to no avail. As a result of the guidelines that the case produced I guess that he was a police officer who came unstuck whilst travelling at 100%. I have visions of a Rover P6 or similar screaming along at 108mph!

He was a Chief Inspector from a Police driving school who was prosecuted following a crash on a training exercise.

[scobbo]

Thanks VH. Was it the Met?

[vonhosen]

scobbo said:

Thanks VH. Was it the Met?

No.

[Sheriff JWPepper]

This is fun. Was it North Yorkshire?

What's the prize?

[vonhosen]

Sheriff JWPepper said:

This is fun. Was it North Yorkshire?

What's the prize?

No, you're getting colder.

[Hooli]

can i play?

Dorset?

[Bing o]

vonhosen said:

Sheriff JWPepper said:

This is fun. Was it North Yorkshire?

What's the prize?

No, you're getting colder.

Devon and Cornwall?



or Suffolk. They seem to cover up stuff?

[Davel]

Didn't Abraham begat someone?

I'm sure I read it somewhere a long long time ago...

[Jasandjules]

Essex.. Must be Essex... What is the prize??!!?

[vonhosen]

Hooli said:

can i play?

Yes

Hooli said:

Dorset?

No.

[vonhosen]

Bing o said:

vonhosen said:

Sheriff JWPepper said:

This is fun. Was it North Yorkshire?

What's the prize?

No, you're getting colder.

Devon and Cornwall?

No.

(This is fun )

Bing o said:

or Suffolk. They seem to cover up stuff?

Nothing was covered up in the Abraham case.

[vonhosen]

Jasandjules said:

Essex.. Must be Essex...

No.

Jasandjules said:

What is the prize??!!?

For you nothing, you were wrong.

[vonhosen]

FishFace said:

More specifics about the case please.

I've got to pop out, I'll post it up later.
What are you interested in about it ?

It's importance is that it contained a ruling that training qualified as a Police purpose for exemptions.

[Nick_F]

vonhosen said:

FishFace said:

More specifics about the case please.

I've got to pop out, I'll post it up later.
What are you interested in about it ?

It's importance is that it contained a ruling that training qualified as a Police purpose for exemptions.

Crikey. Did it take until 1979 to recognise that, or was it taken for granted up until then?

[Sheriff JWPepper]

Still no news on prize?

Has to be Greater Manchester surely?

[Sheriff JWPepper]

Cumbria, definitely Cumbria, terrible speeders them.