Dealers and selling decatted cars

[fairclp]

Is it illegal for a car dealer to sell a used car that has been decatted, that is, one that was manufactured with one and subsequently decatted?

[liner33]

Providing the car is capable of going through an mot without one i wouldnt think so.

A cat is not a legal requirement

[Marki]

I think it is a legal requirment

[Mr2Mike]

Marki said:

I think it is a legal requirment

There is not test for it's presence during an MOT test, just the emissions test.

[Player 1]

Without a Cat The Majority of cars would fail the emissions test.

[tigger1]

Player 1 said:

Without a Cat The Majority of cars would fail the emissions test.

Only if you don't adjust them properly to run without the cat.

[Player 1]

tigger1 said:

Player 1 said:

Without a Cat The Majority of cars would fail the emissions test.

Only if you don't adjust them properly to run without the cat.

So its possible to have a de-catted car adjusted so its runs without the cat yet still meets the requirements to pass the MOT emissions test?

[EU_Foreigner]

Sure - the cat does nothing for the CO / CO2 emissions

[CharlesW]

I had a Subaru Impreza WRX that would pass its MOT without one.

[blitzracing]

I dont think you stand a chance of getting a decatted car through the MOT on cat standards, after all why bother with cats at all if thats the case? I know the cat drops a couple of percent off the relevent polluting gasses, but wether it be unburnt hydrocarbons, various oxides , or carbon monoxide I dont know.

[Marki]

Mr2Mike said:

Marki said:

I think it is a legal requirment

There is not test for it's presence during an MOT test, just the emissions test.

Maybe no test but i am sure from 92 on (i belive it was 92) all cars must be fitted with cats

[EU_Foreigner]

That is correct. But I am not aware of any test that actually verifies there is one there

[jshell]

1st August 1992. All cars manufactured after this date will fail an MOT without cat's.

[Bibbs]

No car *needs* a CAT.

If some how it can pass a test without one, fine.

Here is the diagram for what to test against.

[EU_Foreigner]

How? It is nowhere on this list :

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicl...

[oldsoak]

http://www.motester.co.uk/mot-quiz.html

If it passes the emissions test without one it passes the MOT...end of

Edited by oldsoak on Wednesday 19th September 13:03

[jshell]

Fukit, think I'll sit on the fence for a while instead......

Edited by jshell on Wednesday 19th September 13:26

[Marki]

Bibbs said:

No car *needs* a CAT.

FFS its an EU wide ruling

NEW CARS SOLD IN THE EU MUST HAVE CATS FITTED

[tvrslag]

I thought the purpose of Cat was to reduce the Carbon Monoxide outputs and turns them into Carbon Dioxide, hence the reason why you cannot now gas youself to death in a modern car, not just their only reason for being obviously, If a Cars emissions can be reduced to EU legal limits without a Cat then this is Ok, its just not possible...yet.

[havoc]

Marki said:

NEW CARS SOLD IN THE EU MUST HAVE CATS FITTED

Yes, NEW cars SOLD.

Nothing about selling a 2nd hand car.
Nothing about owning a car without a cat.
Nothing about needing a cat to pass the MOT.


...in other words, you can buy your nice shiny new car, take it round the corner, replace the cat with a decat pipe, and your car is perfectly legal.

If in 3 years time it then passes an MOT, it is still both legal AND roadworthy!!!