RE: Litter Fine For Ticketed Motorist
Tuesday 25th September 2007
A driver booked for illegal parking has been handed a second fine for littering after dropping his ticket on the floor.
Carmarthenshire Council said the unnamed driver was handed the £60 fixed penalty parking ticket in Llandovery.
He tried to hand it back to a parking attendant, but dropped it and refused to pick it up, before driving off.
The council gave him a £75 litter fine after tracing him from his licence plate, and said if he did not pay both, he would go to court.
The authority said it hoped the case would act as a deterrent.
It said if the driver had paid the parking ticket on the spot to the council parking attendant, he would have received a 50% discount, so it would have cost him only £30.
The combined total for the two fines now stands at £135 and the council said if either were not paid it would pursue the matter through the courts.
Litter Fine For Ticketed Motorist
Double fine for driver who dropped ticket
Carmarthenshire Council said the unnamed driver was handed the £60 fixed penalty parking ticket in Llandovery.
He tried to hand it back to a parking attendant, but dropped it and refused to pick it up, before driving off.
The council gave him a £75 litter fine after tracing him from his licence plate, and said if he did not pay both, he would go to court.
The authority said it hoped the case would act as a deterrent.
It said if the driver had paid the parking ticket on the spot to the council parking attendant, he would have received a 50% discount, so it would have cost him only £30.
The combined total for the two fines now stands at £135 and the council said if either were not paid it would pursue the matter through the courts.
Discussion
I think i'm the only person on the planet who thinks parking attendants are a good thing. It'd be chaos without them. People get upset when they get double parked, or someone parks outside their house but then next day get upset when they are fined for parking on double yellows (or whatever). I've had my garage blocked in three times and it's very annoying (i've had to actually put signs up saying 'no parking, access required to garage')
Edited by varsas on Tuesday 25th September 11:56
Yeah, lets all chuck litter all over the streets - that'll make Britain a better place to live.
No difference between this and a chav dropping his Maccy D's wrapper IMHO
ETA how would you feel if your disabled relative couldn't park somewhere because of illegally parked cars?
No difference between this and a chav dropping his Maccy D's wrapper IMHO
ETA how would you feel if your disabled relative couldn't park somewhere because of illegally parked cars?
Edited by Bing o on Tuesday 25th September 11:57
spydersingh said:
What a load of cobblers! This is getting out of control! First the speeding chap with 10 weeks and now this!
We dont know the specific circumstances around this. I agree with parking fines for people who park selfshly and cause obstructions.
I also agree with fining people for deliberately littering.
One the face of it - this driver may have got his just deserts. Its about time people started to take responsibility for their actions. If people parked sensibly and didnt drop litter - there would be no traffic wardens or litter fines.
I don't have a problem with this - isn't this the sort of good old fashioned policing we want to see?
Bad parkers are a pain in the arse, and Britian is a filthy shit hole cos of people like this driver. He's only got a fine though £135 is anice sum that he won't forget.
I can't see why anyone should have a problem with this.
Bad parkers are a pain in the arse, and Britian is a filthy shit hole cos of people like this driver. He's only got a fine though £135 is anice sum that he won't forget.
I can't see why anyone should have a problem with this.
It's amazing how we solute chav behaviour one minute, and then defend it the next.
Parking rules are there for a reason of safety and fairness (ie limited waiting), littering fines make places cleaner as people use the bins.
I would want anyone flouting either of these laws to be punished, and I think that the fines were appropriate.
Parking rules are there for a reason of safety and fairness (ie limited waiting), littering fines make places cleaner as people use the bins.
I would want anyone flouting either of these laws to be punished, and I think that the fines were appropriate.
varsas said:
I think i'm the only person on the planet who thinks parking attendants are a good thing. It'd be chaos without them. People get upset when they get double parked, or someone parks outside their house but then next day get upset when they are fined for parking on double yellows (or whatever).
I agree - I shudder to think of the amount of my time that has been wasted by people being lazy ###ts and causing an obstruction by bad parking. Its far easier to inconvenience 100 people and park inappropriately on a main road so you can pop into the corner shop for your paper/fags/mars bar - than it is to park round the corner and ......... wait for it...........WALK!! 
I have a garage just up the road from my house and every day I see people stop on the main road and cause an obstruction by effectively blocking one lane. All this just to pop into the garage for a paper. This is despite the fact that the garage has an large forecourt and ample parking - why! - so they dont have to wait to pull back out into traffic.
Traffic wardens only exist because there are arrogant and inconsiderate people in our midst.
Bing o said:
ETA how would you feel if your disabled relative couldn't park somewhere because of illegally parked cars?
Oh please dont start with the emotive disabled crap. The issue i have with these wardens is that they are so fast to get you, most people park on double yellows for a few seconds to drop something of or pick something up yet they magically get a ticket. If the council had workers that quick to fill in the pot holes on my road or deal with other requests then i would salute them but instead they provide an A* serive for persecuting people.
As for this story in particular they could have cut the guy some slack since he already had a fine, if they didnt issue the ticket then it wouldnt be dropped on the floor with rage. Not to mention the time and resources put into getting him which would be better spent saving the polar bear or something.
I don't object to Traffic Wardens in Principle, it is just that it seems to me these days, most places that you need to stop are now double yellowed, and strangely, they always find the money to pay for X number of wardens - In Colchester, when the whole load of new double yellows came into play, about 4-5 new wardens mystically appeared on the scene... Co-incidence or what...
tomTVR said:
The issue i have with these wardens is that they are so fast to get you, most people park on double yellows for a few seconds to drop something of or pick something up yet they magically get a ticket. If the council had workers that quick to fill in the pot holes on my road or deal with other requests then i would salute them but instead they provide an A* serive for persecuting people.
As for this story in particular they could have cut the guy some slack since he already had a fine, if they didnt issue the ticket then it wouldnt be dropped on the floor with rage. Not to mention the time and resources put into getting him which would be better spent saving the polar bear or something.
You need to stop and think for one moment about what it would be like for drivers if there were no wardens, The answer is - we wouldn't be able to move. If you think there's congestion now, it would double without wardens, and our cities would simply stop moving.As for this story in particular they could have cut the guy some slack since he already had a fine, if they didnt issue the ticket then it wouldnt be dropped on the floor with rage. Not to mention the time and resources put into getting him which would be better spent saving the polar bear or something.
The driver was an a**hole for throwing the ticket on the floor, its not as though he just tossed it on the floor, it would have been accompanied by a load of abuse as well.
Me and a mate went into the middle of london last month, to the iranian embassy of all places. (Jim is doing karing tuition in Iran
). We parked round the corner in one of those car parks where they drive your car in for you, and it cost us a tenner for the day which I thought very reasonable. We then spent quite a bit of time queing aoutside the embassy and the entertainment was provided by all the motorists who couldn't follow the simple instruction clearly displayed on the signs saying 'parking for residents only'. We enjoyed watching the drivers pleading and begging for the tickets to be rescinded, which the warden clearly can't do. One of the guys was Iranian, and he clearly hadn't grasped the cultural differences in our country and must have spent an hour, accompanied with all the hand and arm gestures, trying to get his ticket stopped. The warden spent the whole day ticketing cars, and I guess he's there every day. It must be frustrating for residents not being able to park outside their homes.We saw lots of traffic wardens that day, but despite being in the capitol of a country at war, and with a government constantly telling us we're under threat and we need them to save us, we didn't see one single policeman all day.
But thats a seperate issue.
I've also just spent a lovely fortnight in France, and I don't think I saw one single piece of litter the entire two weeks. Then you come back to this filthy shit hole, populated largely by thick, filthy people. He should have been fined £135 for the litter alone.
Agree with the ticket being issued for parking illegally. The question is, did he throw the ticket on the floor (most probable in a fit of rage), or drop it? If he did the former, then fair play to the warden IMHO.
Wardens and the like can be a t
t sometimes, so it could have been 50/50 regarding the issuing of the fine for the ticket finding it's way on the floor.
Personally, I'm ped at seeing litter everywhere in the countryside where I live.
Wardens and the like can be a t
t sometimes, so it could have been 50/50 regarding the issuing of the fine for the ticket finding it's way on the floor.Personally, I'm p
ed at seeing litter everywhere in the countryside where I live.tomTVR said:
Bing o said:
ETA how would you feel if your disabled relative couldn't park somewhere because of illegally parked cars?
most people park on double yellows for a few seconds to drop something of or pick something up I might be completely wrong but I thought a ticket wasn't officially given to you until it was stuck to your car. I thought if you got back to your car before the ticket was applied you were 'just in time'. If the attendant was handing the motorist a ticket wouldn't this be the case?
Moonhawk said:
tomTVR said:
Bing o said:
ETA how would you feel if your disabled relative couldn't park somewhere because of illegally parked cars?
most people park on double yellows for a few seconds to drop something of or pick something up TBH upon first reading the article I thought the council were being rather heavy-handed in their approach. After Tom's comment I've changed my mind.
Moonhawk said:
tomTVR said:
Bing o said:
ETA how would you feel if your disabled relative couldn't park somewhere because of illegally parked cars?
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