Remove whitelines to slow traffic??
Discussion
Couldn't see this thread anywhere else so if its a re-post I apologise and will accept my re-post police slap with humility
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_...
This link is to a story I've just seen on the BBC, regarding the thoughts of conducting a trial in Scotland following some interesting results in road safety improvements from a pilot scheme in Wiltshire, the aim is basically to remove the central dividing line on certain roads in order to try and reduce peoples speeds by introducing that pyschological factor of the unknown.
IMHO could be a reasonable alternative to the current scamera and SCP systems, BUT only where its safe to do so.
I see far too many double white lines ignored now so would hate to think what would happen if all lines were removed.
Discuss
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_...
This link is to a story I've just seen on the BBC, regarding the thoughts of conducting a trial in Scotland following some interesting results in road safety improvements from a pilot scheme in Wiltshire, the aim is basically to remove the central dividing line on certain roads in order to try and reduce peoples speeds by introducing that pyschological factor of the unknown.
IMHO could be a reasonable alternative to the current scamera and SCP systems, BUT only where its safe to do so.
I see far too many double white lines ignored now so would hate to think what would happen if all lines were removed.
Discuss
The link said:-
""The theory is if you create uncertainty in the mind of the driver they will slow down, back off, look around, and proceed more safely"
So if it is uncertainity that you may be zapped for speeding, if you choose to exceed limits, and end up coughing up hard dosh, and points, why doesnt that made drivers proceed more safely.
The mind boggles!
""The theory is if you create uncertainty in the mind of the driver they will slow down, back off, look around, and proceed more safely"
So if it is uncertainity that you may be zapped for speeding, if you choose to exceed limits, and end up coughing up hard dosh, and points, why doesnt that made drivers proceed more safely.
The mind boggles!
Having seen the random way the lines are placed it'd be better to just have the dashed line.
I regularly overtake on doubles where there is no justifiable reason for them...
similarly I have seen dotted lines where it'd be impossible to overtake a milkfloat safely !
Removing all lines may slow some traffic but would increase accidents IMO.
I regularly overtake on doubles where there is no justifiable reason for them...
similarly I have seen dotted lines where it'd be impossible to overtake a milkfloat safely !
Removing all lines may slow some traffic but would increase accidents IMO.
tvrslag said:
Couldn't see this thread anywhere else so if its a re-post I apologise and will accept my re-post police slap with humility
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_...
This link is to a story I've just seen on the BBC, regarding the thoughts of conducting a trial in Scotland following some interesting results in road safety improvements from a pilot scheme in Wiltshire, the aim is basically to remove the central dividing line on certain roads in order to try and reduce peoples speeds by introducing that pyschological factor of the unknown.
IMHO could be a reasonable alternative to the current scamera and SCP systems, BUT only where its safe to do so.
I see far too many double white lines ignored now so would hate to think what would happen if all lines were removed.
Discuss
I see plenty of double white lines that deserve to be ignored. For my own purposes I prefer to have a simple centre-line (and for my money you can scrap the useless hazard lines too) and I would leave it at that.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_...
This link is to a story I've just seen on the BBC, regarding the thoughts of conducting a trial in Scotland following some interesting results in road safety improvements from a pilot scheme in Wiltshire, the aim is basically to remove the central dividing line on certain roads in order to try and reduce peoples speeds by introducing that pyschological factor of the unknown.
IMHO could be a reasonable alternative to the current scamera and SCP systems, BUT only where its safe to do so.
I see far too many double white lines ignored now so would hate to think what would happen if all lines were removed.
Discuss
Best wishes all,
Dave.
This system may work fine in theory for a while but then the insurance companies aren't going to be too happy about it. Every head on crash will be an expensive excercise in trying to establish liability.
Reducing road signage will only result in expensive legal claims when drivers get caught out by hazzards not previously signed.
Reducing road signage will only result in expensive legal claims when drivers get caught out by hazzards not previously signed.
mark69sheer said:
This system may work fine in theory for a while but then the insurance companies aren't going to be too happy about it. Every head on crash will be an expensive excercise in trying to establish liability.
Reducing road signage will only result in expensive legal claims when drivers get caught out by hazzards not previously signed.
No, they'll just go 'knock-for-knock'. They frequently try to now, even when liability appears very clear - StreakyReducing road signage will only result in expensive legal claims when drivers get caught out by hazzards not previously signed.
tvrslag said:
Couldn't see this thread anywhere else so if its a re-post I apologise and will accept my re-post police slap with humility
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_...
This link is to a story I've just seen on the BBC, regarding the thoughts of conducting a trial in Scotland following some interesting results in road safety improvements from a pilot scheme in Wiltshire, the aim is basically to remove the central dividing line on certain roads in order to try and reduce peoples speeds by introducing that pyschological factor of the unknown.
IMHO could be a reasonable alternative to the current scamera and SCP systems, BUT only where its safe to do so.
I see far too many double white lines ignored now so would hate to think what would happen if all lines were removed.
Discuss
Ah an admirable idea, while they are at it surely they should remove all cats eyes, side road markings, speed signs, junction signs, dangerous bend signs, narrow bridge signs e.t.c. that way no one will know anything about the road in front, and so drive at a sufficiently slow speed that all accidents are eliminated and the fastest way to travel will be by horse and cart, or maybe we should all employ an immigrant, provide them each with a red flag and have them walk in front of the vehicle to warn all oncoming that other vehicles are on the road, oh sorry and warn pedestrians also.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_...
This link is to a story I've just seen on the BBC, regarding the thoughts of conducting a trial in Scotland following some interesting results in road safety improvements from a pilot scheme in Wiltshire, the aim is basically to remove the central dividing line on certain roads in order to try and reduce peoples speeds by introducing that pyschological factor of the unknown.
IMHO could be a reasonable alternative to the current scamera and SCP systems, BUT only where its safe to do so.
I see far too many double white lines ignored now so would hate to think what would happen if all lines were removed.
Discuss
Just thought that maybe all directions signs for the whole road system should be removed too that way no one knows where to, how to, get somewhere esle and so elimate the accidents need for car, which will save huge amounts of resources and prevent global warming.
We could all make our own organic everything and do it yourself funerals, AIDS would be eliminated as there would be restricted intercourse ( no pun intended) between populations and so all afflicted would die before passing it on to distant population centres, oh the possible world to come is wonderful to contemplate.
The article says it's only in 30 limits, not NSLs. I think it's therefore part of the trend towards removing rights of way at junctions to make everyone take more notice of what's around them. I saw it work very effectively in parts of central Cologne 10 years ago, and it's just sad that it's taking us so long to do the same.
I do see this as quite different to the idea of getting rid of pavements and forcing cars and pedestrians to share the same space. That's just a way of causing havoc. It's bad enough when pedestrians feel they have a right to cross the road at any time without warning (I drove through Zurich last night in the rush hour), but letting them wander all over the road without boundaries will surely lead to frustration and aggro on both sides.
I do see this as quite different to the idea of getting rid of pavements and forcing cars and pedestrians to share the same space. That's just a way of causing havoc. It's bad enough when pedestrians feel they have a right to cross the road at any time without warning (I drove through Zurich last night in the rush hour), but letting them wander all over the road without boundaries will surely lead to frustration and aggro on both sides.
Surely the only people it will slow down are those that rarely use the road? Regular commuters won't be "uncertain" of what's coming up on the road, and I suspect will quickly adjust. Then you;ve created a nice speed differential, always good for more accidents.
In the same vein, remove steering wheel airbags and replace with big spikes to concentrate the mind of the car driver, and fit chainsaws to the front of cars to ensure pedestrians keep their wits about them
In the same vein, remove steering wheel airbags and replace with big spikes to concentrate the mind of the car driver, and fit chainsaws to the front of cars to ensure pedestrians keep their wits about them
Edited by Mr2Mike on Wednesday 31st October 11:54
Peter Ward said:
The article says it's only in 30 limits, not NSLs. I think it's therefore part of the trend towards removing rights of way at junctions to make everyone take more notice of what's around them. I saw it work very effectively in parts of central Cologne 10 years ago, and it's just sad that it's taking us so long to do the same.
I do see this as quite different to the idea of getting rid of pavements and forcing cars and pedestrians to share the same space. That's just a way of causing havoc. It's bad enough when pedestrians feel they have a right to cross the road at any time without warning (I drove through Zurich last night in the rush hour), but letting them wander all over the road without boundaries will surely lead to frustration and aggro on both sides.
Removing rights of way at juctions...shudder. So we will get accidents for which both parties are guilty of DWDCA. Oh well two for the price of one.I do see this as quite different to the idea of getting rid of pavements and forcing cars and pedestrians to share the same space. That's just a way of causing havoc. It's bad enough when pedestrians feel they have a right to cross the road at any time without warning (I drove through Zurich last night in the rush hour), but letting them wander all over the road without boundaries will surely lead to frustration and aggro on both sides.
Can see some benefit in city centres, but I will stake good money now that this approach will be poorly implemented.
This just seems to be more "war on the motorist"!
The worst drivers probably won't even be able to stay safely on their side without that line. So we all will be driving in fear of a head-on.
Slower speeds, probably more accidents (albeit at lower speed), and driving gets more stressfull. To an anti-car politician, those three sound like "Win", "Not my problem", and "Win".
The worst drivers probably won't even be able to stay safely on their side without that line. So we all will be driving in fear of a head-on.
Slower speeds, probably more accidents (albeit at lower speed), and driving gets more stressfull. To an anti-car politician, those three sound like "Win", "Not my problem", and "Win".
Some good thoughts, I think with everything that gets presented by our government and the various quangos and councils there are good points and bad points.
Removing whitlines at junctions, the warnings prior to Zebra crossings and the double whites (where required) is just a no-no, but having driven on roads freshly tarred without any markings the road speeds are slower. Is it the Panacea to reducing road casualties? I think not, but an interesting idea nevertheless and far more appealing to the present cameraisti theiving partnerships we are led to believe is the solution (but widely proven not to be effective).
Removing whitlines at junctions, the warnings prior to Zebra crossings and the double whites (where required) is just a no-no, but having driven on roads freshly tarred without any markings the road speeds are slower. Is it the Panacea to reducing road casualties? I think not, but an interesting idea nevertheless and far more appealing to the present cameraisti theiving partnerships we are led to believe is the solution (but widely proven not to be effective).
Dunno about removing white lines but I do know that driving thru Ipswich recently at night for the 1st time I found I was confused by an huge aray of lines, signs and differing coloured markings. It was so bad I almost drove thru a red light! And no I was'nt pi**ed and I'm not an doddery f*rt either. Simply trying to drive thru a smallish town!
crankedup said:
Dunno about removing white lines but I do know that driving thru Ipswich recently at night for the 1st time I found I was confused by an huge aray of lines, signs and differing coloured markings. It was so bad I almost drove thru a red light! And no I was'nt pi**ed and I'm not an doddery f*rt either. Simply trying to drive thru a smallish town!
That's the best thing to do with Ipswich ... drive through it! - StreakyI think this is a classic problem of MISSING THE POINT.
Do we want slower speeds or safer roads?
Seems politicians have become obsessed with making people drive more slowly, whether it's safer or not. Surely removing the lines makes the road more dangerous, thereby reducing speeds to a point where the danger is the same level as before as the drivers will settle at a speed which feels right.
Just to illustrate my thinking:
Danger level = "Road danger level (poor markings etc)" X "Speed danger level (less thinking time, longer stopping distances etc)"
Hence increasing road danger (removing lines) will decrease speed danger as drivers will slow down BUT OVERALL DANGER STAYS THE SAME.
It's nuts.
Do we want slower speeds or safer roads?
Seems politicians have become obsessed with making people drive more slowly, whether it's safer or not. Surely removing the lines makes the road more dangerous, thereby reducing speeds to a point where the danger is the same level as before as the drivers will settle at a speed which feels right.
Just to illustrate my thinking:
Danger level = "Road danger level (poor markings etc)" X "Speed danger level (less thinking time, longer stopping distances etc)"
Hence increasing road danger (removing lines) will decrease speed danger as drivers will slow down BUT OVERALL DANGER STAYS THE SAME.
It's nuts.
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