Fixed Penalty: 0 Points and £0...????
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Hi, just been hit with a fixed penalty for a motoring 'indiscretion', lets not get into the abject silliness of my actions just now though. It is the 1st one in a very long time!
Question is though, the pink slip has been issued with no entry in the points or amount boxes. It's not that the figures haven't come through on the 'carbon copy' - they're just not there. The numbers weren't stated to me verbally either.
Is it still valid? Any advice?
Question is though, the pink slip has been issued with no entry in the points or amount boxes. It's not that the figures haven't come through on the 'carbon copy' - they're just not there. The numbers weren't stated to me verbally either.
Is it still valid? Any advice?
Do you mean your licence has been returned without points, or it's not been put on the penalty notice?
FPNs are either endorsable or non-endorsable. They don't state how many points you are going to recieve, but it should say what offence you've been reported for, an offence code, and the amount to pay, which should be on a tear-off slip at the bottom, with instructions on how to pay.
Without knowing what offence you've been reported for, it'll be difficult to expand any further.
FPNs are either endorsable or non-endorsable. They don't state how many points you are going to recieve, but it should say what offence you've been reported for, an offence code, and the amount to pay, which should be on a tear-off slip at the bottom, with instructions on how to pay.
Without knowing what offence you've been reported for, it'll be difficult to expand any further.
Sorry R U, see where I've been lax. Was 'speaking' to 2 of your colleagues (wider sense) today and part of that involved me driving away with the pink part of 'Notice of Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty' giving 28 days to send off license and pay a fixed penalty. Alleged offence whilst driving - let's call it 'multi-tasking'! However, when I examined the pink slip there are no entries at the bottom in the relevant 2 boxes for number of points or ££'s I'll be liable for (there are boxes for both). Everything else on the pink slip appears present and correct. There was no verbal indication of the penalty involved either. The car was a local beat car, not a Trafpol.
Question is: Is it all still valid?
Question is: Is it all still valid?
Edited by jshell on Friday 2nd November 18:04
I would think so, yes. Minor administrative errors on the ticket aren't usually sufficient to have it voided. As long as the bulk of the evidential information (time, date, road, your personal details, vehicle details etc) are correct, then the ticket will stand.
There are substantial differences in FPN layout between different forces - ours have the fine amount already printed on them, and there is nowhere to write the amount of points.
And if it's for the kind of multi-tasking I think it is, it'll be £60 and 3 points.
There are substantial differences in FPN layout between different forces - ours have the fine amount already printed on them, and there is nowhere to write the amount of points.
And if it's for the kind of multi-tasking I think it is, it'll be £60 and 3 points.
R_U_LOCAL said:
I would think so, yes. Minor administrative errors on the ticket aren't usually sufficient to have it voided. As long as the bulk of the evidential information (time, date, road, your personal details, vehicle details etc) are correct, then the ticket will stand.
There are substantial differences in FPN layout between different forces - ours have the fine amount already printed on them, and there is nowhere to write the amount of points.
And if it's for the kind of multi-tasking I think it is, it'll be £60 and 3 points.
Thanks very much for your response! When a local child abuse case can totally disintegrate on a technicality, then I suppose I had thought it may be worth trying to play by every one else's rules.....!!There are substantial differences in FPN layout between different forces - ours have the fine amount already printed on them, and there is nowhere to write the amount of points.
And if it's for the kind of multi-tasking I think it is, it'll be £60 and 3 points.
Peter Ward said:
Hmm, not a million miles away.....my own stupid fault though, I have to admit!Actually, I expected a number of suggestions along the lines of physical contact, partial nudity combined with 'coffee beans'..... resulting in
Think of this jshell.
You think you have get-out?
So you dont accept the FPN. You do nothing at all so at the end of time a fine is registered against you for that offence.
You write back saying you do not accept the FPN as it is defective because points not shown. Sooooooo, they enter a Not Guilty plea and the case goes to Court, where the evidence for the OFFENCE is heard and from what you say found Guilty - fined, CPS Costs which will be in excess of the FPN.
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You think you have get-out?
So you dont accept the FPN. You do nothing at all so at the end of time a fine is registered against you for that offence.
You write back saying you do not accept the FPN as it is defective because points not shown. Sooooooo, they enter a Not Guilty plea and the case goes to Court, where the evidence for the OFFENCE is heard and from what you say found Guilty - fined, CPS Costs which will be in excess of the FPN.
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jshell said:
R_U_LOCAL said:
I would think so, yes. Minor administrative errors on the ticket aren't usually sufficient to have it voided. As long as the bulk of the evidential information (time, date, road, your personal details, vehicle details etc) are correct, then the ticket will stand.
There are substantial differences in FPN layout between different forces - ours have the fine amount already printed on them, and there is nowhere to write the amount of points.
And if it's for the kind of multi-tasking I think it is, it'll be £60 and 3 points.
Thanks very much for your response! When a local child abuse case can totally disintegrate on a technicality, then I suppose I had thought it may be worth trying to play by every one else's rules.....!!There are substantial differences in FPN layout between different forces - ours have the fine amount already printed on them, and there is nowhere to write the amount of points.
And if it's for the kind of multi-tasking I think it is, it'll be £60 and 3 points.
Trax said:
Great result by the way, but I would have never have bet on you getting of with that on th technicality. Of course rapists and thugs get of on them, but motorists tend not to, just think of the lost money if that was the normal case. The CPS progressing proper crimes, what the money in that?
I know! We had a major murder trial go completely wrong up here on a technicality too a few months ago. If it's good enough for them......jshell said:
Eliminator said:
Result!
You getting a bluetooth, I mean
I know, I know it is wrong. I've seen people weaving about all over the road whilst on the phone. Anyway, it was a fair cop and to be honest I probably will be a lot more careful in future!You getting a bluetooth, I mean
jshell said:
Now, where do I buy a bluetooth headset?
Not sure if that was a serious question, but I'd recommend a simple wired Parrot kit over a headset, e.g.http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ck3100-lcd
Have one in the Swift (fitted for free by dealer), it's brilliant. No charging, no losing it down the side of the seat.
John
LathamJohnP said:
jshell said:
Now, where do I buy a bluetooth headset?
Not sure if that was a serious question, but I'd recommend a simple wired Parrot kit over a headset, e.g.http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ck3100-lcd
Have one in the Swift (fitted for free by dealer), it's brilliant. No charging, no losing it down the side of the seat.
John
Einion Yrth said:
jshell said:
Eliminator said:
Result!
You getting a bluetooth, I mean
I know, I know it is wrong. I've seen people weaving about all over the road whilst on the phone. Anyway, it was a fair cop and to be honest I probably will be a lot more careful in future!You getting a bluetooth, I mean
Perhaps just a bollocking would have been better, with just the same results for me, but where do you draw the line I suppose...I dunno really!
LathamJohnP said:
jshell said:
Now, where do I buy a bluetooth headset?
Not sure if that was a serious question, but I'd recommend a simple wired Parrot kit over a headset, e.g.http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ck3100-lcd
Have one in the Swift (fitted for free by dealer), it's brilliant. No charging, no losing it down the side of the seat.
John
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