Stupid PCN - What to do?

[BMWBen]

I've just got a PCN - £120 for illegally stopping on a red route clearway. Apparently they have DVD evidence of my offense!

So I turn the page to look at a couple of stills from their "DVD Evidence" - and it's two pictures of me quite legally stopped in a loading bay...

I am loath to even spend the 5 minutes writing a letter, this can't be an automated system, so some proper tt is just taking the piss. Or even if it is an automated system - then it's utter SHITE.

[TPS]

BMWBen said:

I've just got a PCN - £120 for illegally stopping on a red route clearway. Apparently they have DVD evidence of my offense!

So I turn the page to look at a couple of stills from their "DVD Evidence" - and it's two pictures of me quite legally stopped in a loading bay...

I am loath to even spend the 5 minutes writing a letter, this can't be an automated system, so some proper tt is just taking the piss. Or even if it is an automated system - then it's utter SHITE.

Where abouts was you stopped,how long,why etc.

[BMWBen]

Finchely Road london - for 7 minutes, the bay is for 7am-4pm max 20 mins.

[TPS]

If you were within all time limits etc and were using it to load then you should be able to fight it.There can be a lot of restrictions with some bays that you need to be sure you were not breaking.

[falcemob]

Were you loading/unloading or just stopped for another reason?

[BMWBen]

Not relevant I feel - how would anyone know either way?

[vonhosen]

BMWBen said:

Not relevant I feel - how would anyone know either way?

By watching you on the camera.
It's video that stills are taken from, not just stills.

[BMWBen]

Indeed - can you point me at the legislation the specifies exactly what "loading" is?

And what if my intention was to load, but I found I was unable to do so so did not *actually* do any loading?

[TPS]

BMWBen said:

Not relevant I feel - how would anyone know either way?

Very relevant.If this is an indication that you had just parked there and got caught then they have got you and you will not get out of it.So be honest was you loading or unloading?

[BMWBen]

That very much depends what "loading" is defined as.

I did not park and go for a beer - I parked outside a shop I wanted to make a purchase in, made the purchase, and went back to my car.

[TPS]

BMWBen said:

Indeed - can you point me at the legislation the specifies exactly what "loading" is?

And what if my intention was to load, but I found I was unable to do so so did not *actually* do any loading?

Loading is putting anything in a vehicle.It could be a collection of smaller items or perhaps something big and heavy.

As for

BMWBen said:

And what if my intention was to load, but I found I was unable to do so so did not *actually* do any loading?

I dont think this is an excuse
It would be down to you to check and confirm that you were able to pick up the item first.Getting to the car and finding it would not fit etc would cover you.

[TPS]

BMWBen said:

That very much depends what "loading" is defined as.

I did not park and go for a beer - I parked outside a shop I wanted to make a purchase in, made the purchase, and went back to my car.

So what did you buy?
I can not answer this unless you say

[BMWBen]

Some cards from Clintons...

[TPS]

BMWBen said:

Some cards from Clintons...

Then that is not covered by parking in a loading bay.You could have parked in a normal parking bay to do this.

[BMWBen]

How so? Where is it defined what constitutes loading?

I seem to remember that I had the items in a bag, which I placed on the passenger seat. You'd be hard pressed to argue that I didn't "load" the cards into the car based on the dictionary definition I think?

Load - "Something that is carried, as by a vehicle, person, or animal: a load of firewood."

From dictionary.com, but you get the gist! Anything I put in my car is a load, and therefore has been "loaded".

Edited by BMWBen on Tuesday 6th November 21:55

Edited by BMWBen on Tuesday 6th November 21:56

[vonhosen]

If you've done your loading unloading then you've got to move straight on, you can't stay there for another 5 mins. They've got their video which will show how long you are there & what movement.

You do what you see fit, seems you've made your mind up.

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 6th November 21:57

[TPS]

BMWBen said:

How so? Where is it defined what constitutes loading?

I seem to remember that I had the items in a bag, which I placed on the passenger seat. You'd be hard pressed to argue that I didn't "load" the cards into the car based on the dictionary definition I think?

I cant be bothered to look it up on the net but i have seen guidelines that say it must not be used to go and buy fags use a cash machine etc.Yes you loaded but there was no need to take up a loading bay for a birthday card.Im more than happy to be proved wrong as im only going on what i have read in the past but i would say they have got you on this one.

[Parrot of Doom]

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[BMWBen]

vonhosen said:

If you've done your loading unloading then you've got to move straight on, you can't stay there for another 5 mins. They've got their video which will show how long you are there & what movement.

You do what you see fit, seems you've made your mind up.

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 6th November 21:57

I did move straight on. I parked, went into the shop, came out with a bag, got in the car and left (it was only a week ago). I was under the impression that that was a valid use of a loading bay!

[vonhosen]

BMWBen said:

vonhosen said:

If you've done your loading unloading then you've got to move straight on, you can't stay there for another 5 mins. They've got their video which will show how long you are there & what movement.

You do what you see fit, seems you've made your mind up.

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 6th November 21:57

I did move straight on. I parked, went into the shop, came out with a bag, got in the car and left (it was only a week ago). I was under the impression that that was a valid use of a loading bay!

Shopping isn't included, picking up an item is.
If you don't agree, then fight it.