cameras at night?
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dan1981 said:
This may be a basic question?!
Can the police use mobile cameras after dark? eh camera vans / hand held cameras etc?
I only ask as i thought that any sort of speed detection device had to be visable at x amount of metres.
Any ideas?
If you are wondering if they do follow the Code then the answer is no. Can the police use mobile cameras after dark? eh camera vans / hand held cameras etc?
I only ask as i thought that any sort of speed detection device had to be visable at x amount of metres.
Any ideas?
However, in practical terms it will make it very difficult to assess the speed of a car by eye and thus use the 'zapper'.
That said, they don't usually bother with that either. So... I would say a reduced risk, but I have seen these guys do everything so don't rule anything out...!
Just_a_guide said:
FiveStar said:
AFAIK they do not use scamera vans at night BUT bib are allowed to use the zappers whenever they want
they do use scamera vans at night.JustinP1 said:
If you are wondering if they do follow the Code then the answer is no.
However, in practical terms it will make it very difficult to assess the speed of a car by eye and thus use the 'zapper'.
That said, they don't usually bother with that either...
I suppose it is not coincidence but irony that when such operational issues where the operator has ignored or 'overruled' the ACPO Code of Practice that they just repeat the mantra 'Just a guide' and hope the questions go away....!However, in practical terms it will make it very difficult to assess the speed of a car by eye and thus use the 'zapper'.
That said, they don't usually bother with that either...
Edited by JustinP1 on Thursday 8th November 14:59
JustinP1 said:
Just_a_guide said:
FiveStar said:
AFAIK they do not use scamera vans at night BUT bib are allowed to use the zappers whenever they want
they do use scamera vans at night.JustinP1 said:
If you are wondering if they do follow the Code then the answer is no.
However, in practical terms it will make it very difficult to assess the speed of a car by eye and thus use the 'zapper'...
I suppose it is not coincidence but irony that when such operational issues where the operator has ignored or 'overruled' the ACPO Code of Practice that they just repeat the mantra 'Just a guide' and hope the questions go away....!However, in practical terms it will make it very difficult to assess the speed of a car by eye and thus use the 'zapper'...
Just_a_guide said:
JustinP1 said:
Just_a_guide said:
FiveStar said:
AFAIK they do not use scamera vans at night BUT bib are allowed to use the zappers whenever they want
they do use scamera vans at night.JustinP1 said:
If you are wondering if they do follow the Code then the answer is no.
However, in practical terms it will make it very difficult to assess the speed of a car by eye and thus use the 'zapper'...
I suppose it is not coincidence but irony that when such operational issues where the operator has ignored or 'overruled' the ACPO Code of Practice that they just repeat the mantra 'Just a guide' and hope the questions go away....!However, in practical terms it will make it very difficult to assess the speed of a car by eye and thus use the 'zapper'...
Also, on a non-evidential matter but a safety one for both parties, ensuring that the operator (if outside a van) will be clearly visible to the oncoming driver.
Of course, as I said this will not make a shread of difference anyway!
Edited by JustinP1 on Thursday 8th November 15:46
'Callaghan of the Cumbria Silly Camera Pratnership' claims that they use theirs in the dark and that they are effective. How effective they would be in clocking me in my rally car with twin 130W PIAA spotlights pointed at them can only be imagined. I doubt they could even look in the general direction of the car. However, on dipped headlights alone it would be a different matter.
Cooperman said:
'Callaghan of the Cumbria Silly Camera Pratnership' claims that they use theirs in the dark and that they are effective. How effective they would be in clocking me in my rally car with twin 130W PIAA spotlights pointed at them can only be imagined. I doubt they could even look in the general direction of the car. However, on dipped headlights alone it would be a different matter.
Was there not a mention of a case where a police officer was standing at the road side operating a speed gun of some kind, and a car drove towards him on main beam headlights and was nicked for driving without due consideration, or something, because he dazzled the officer? I think the case I'm referring to was in a built-up area, and I presume you're talking about driving on the open road, if that makes a difference - and it maybe should.Best wishes all,
Dave.
JustinP1 said:
Just_a_guide said:
JustinP1 said:
Just_a_guide said:
FiveStar said:
AFAIK they do not use scamera vans at night BUT bib are allowed to use the zappers whenever they want
they do use scamera vans at night.JustinP1 said:
If you are wondering if they do follow the Code then the answer is no.
However, in practical terms it will make it very difficult to assess the speed of a car by eye and thus use the 'zapper'...
I suppose it is not coincidence but irony that when such operational issues where the operator has ignored or 'overruled' the ACPO Code of Practice that they just repeat the mantra 'Just a guide' and hope the questions go away....!However, in practical terms it will make it very difficult to assess the speed of a car by eye and thus use the 'zapper'...
Also, on a non-evidential matter but a safety one for both parties, ensuring that the operator (if outside a van) will be clearly visible to the oncoming driver.
Of course, as I said this will not make a shread of difference anyway!
Edited by JustinP1 on Thursday 8th November 15:46
Just_a_guide said:
JustinP1 said:
Just_a_guide said:
JustinP1 said:
Just_a_guide said:
FiveStar said:
AFAIK they do not use scamera vans at night BUT bib are allowed to use the zappers whenever they want
they do use scamera vans at night.JustinP1 said:
If you are wondering if they do follow the Code then the answer is no.
However, in practical terms it will make it very difficult to assess the speed of a car by eye and thus use the 'zapper'...
I suppose it is not coincidence but irony that when such operational issues where the operator has ignored or 'overruled' the ACPO Code of Practice that they just repeat the mantra 'Just a guide' and hope the questions go away....!However, in practical terms it will make it very difficult to assess the speed of a car by eye and thus use the 'zapper'...
Also, on a non-evidential matter but a safety one for both parties, ensuring that the operator (if outside a van) will be clearly visible to the oncoming driver.
Of course, as I said this will not make a shread of difference anyway!
Edited by JustinP1 on Thursday 8th November 15:46
This is completely different to making an assessment of speed to evidential standards which has the power to ban someone and for someone to lose their livlihood.
To be frank this point is a moot point as we all know full well the aforementioned prior assessment of speed has no relevance to most enforcement apart from it's mention in the pre-printed 'witness' statements.
Yes just seen tonight in Kent
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dan1981 said:
This may be a basic question?!
Can the police use mobile cameras after dark? eh camera vans / hand held cameras etc?
I only ask as i thought that any sort of speed detection device had to be visable at x amount of metres.
Any ideas?
Can the police use mobile cameras after dark? eh camera vans / hand held cameras etc?
I only ask as i thought that any sort of speed detection device had to be visable at x amount of metres.
Any ideas?
[quote=dan1981]This may be a basic question?!
Can the police use mobile cameras after dark? eh camera vans / hand held cameras etc?
I only ask as i thought that any sort of speed detection device had to be visable at x amount of metres.
Any ideas?
The cameras, and hand held devices can be used anytime, and ACPO guide lines state that the officer using the device does not have to be visible, only the officer stopping the vehicle. So we can hide behind stuff and use them. There is no distance at which we must be visible.
Can the police use mobile cameras after dark? eh camera vans / hand held cameras etc?
I only ask as i thought that any sort of speed detection device had to be visable at x amount of metres.
Any ideas?
The cameras, and hand held devices can be used anytime, and ACPO guide lines state that the officer using the device does not have to be visible, only the officer stopping the vehicle. So we can hide behind stuff and use them. There is no distance at which we must be visible.
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