More speeding kills from the Times
Discussion
Times Online said:
"But the Government is planning to drop a previous proposal to introduce a lower fixed penalty, of two points and a £40 fine, for driving only a few miles per hour over the limit"
So the proposed lower penalty for 'minor' speeding that they touted to us, which was the only thing that seemed to make it 'palatable' (to some) that they would introduce higher penalty for higher speeds, has been dropped.quel surprise.....
Times said:
He also called for police to be given more discretion to enforce even minor breaches of the limit.
That's what we need -- more discretion.... to enforce ever more minor breaches.So I guess this is the government's careful, reasoned response to the world realising that only 4% of accidents are caused by speeding. Those who thought we'd see some refocusing onto more important causes were misguided. It looks like there's still only 1 tool to use on the nail. Unbelievable.
It seems ridiculous. I understand why they want to increase the fine, obviously, but extra points for a ban? Surely this is just killing the goose that lays the golden egg. If you tend to select 90+ in a 70, you're probably an enthusiastic driver who's likely to be caught again and again, and that means you're probably one of their best customers, banning you cuts off your spending and hurts their profits.
But in any case, aren't these bozos supposed to be making our roads safer? Surely they ought to be concentrating on that rather than dicking around with points/fine amounts for whatever speeds people are doing.
SM
But in any case, aren't these bozos supposed to be making our roads safer? Surely they ought to be concentrating on that rather than dicking around with points/fine amounts for whatever speeds people are doing.
SM
Now on the BBC, including quote from Paul: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7086290.stm
Government road safety impostor Fitzprattprick wants police to fine drivers for 1mph over the limit:
"He also called for police to be given more discretion to enforce even minor breaches of the limit. Under current Association of Chief Police Officer guidelines, drivers are given an allowance of 10 per cent plus 1 mph over the limit. This means they will not be fined at speeds lower than 35mph on a 30mph road, 46mph on a 40mph road and 79mph on a 70mph road. Mr Gifford said: “Police need the flexibility to enforce any breach of the limit, even 1mph over it.” "
Not sure if it's basically the same article or not.
Click
ETA Re-reading that is seems that both Fitzprattprick and Gufford are supporting 1mph enforcement - which is really silly since Home Office Guidelines stipulate 2mph accuracy for much enforcement equipment iirc - then there's the LTI 2020 dodgyscope which will give +/- 20 mph on a good day.
"He also called for police to be given more discretion to enforce even minor breaches of the limit. Under current Association of Chief Police Officer guidelines, drivers are given an allowance of 10 per cent plus 1 mph over the limit. This means they will not be fined at speeds lower than 35mph on a 30mph road, 46mph on a 40mph road and 79mph on a 70mph road. Mr Gifford said: “Police need the flexibility to enforce any breach of the limit, even 1mph over it.” "
Not sure if it's basically the same article or not.
Click
ETA Re-reading that is seems that both Fitzprattprick and Gufford are supporting 1mph enforcement - which is really silly since Home Office Guidelines stipulate 2mph accuracy for much enforcement equipment iirc - then there's the LTI 2020 dodgyscope which will give +/- 20 mph on a good day.
Edited by turbobloke on Friday 9th November 09:39
s were interested in road safety they'd be investing more time and money into prosecuting people who have caused accidents.Urine superheated, just dropped Jim a note at fitzpatrickj@parliament.uk
Pissed off email said:
Dear Jim,
It was with dismay that I read the cover story of The Times newspaper this morning. Yet again the motorist is going to be persecuted in the name of "safety".
Increasing points for lower speed limits as proposed will not save children's lives. It will probably cost you the next election however.
I am one of the fortunate few in this country to have escaped the last ten years of Blairite dumbing down, and liberal political correctness that has infested this once proud island.
What Labour road policies have failed to address is education. Which is at least as consistent as your education policy I suppose.
Child road fatalities are on the rise because we don't teach them how to use roads safely in schools anymore, and the blame game climate assumes that little Billy getting run over was entirely the fault of the motorist doing 31 mph, not the fact that little Billy shouldn't be running out between parked cars onto a busy road.
The continued focus on speed kills has led to a massive degradation in driving standards in the 10 years that I have been driving - poor observation, lane discipline and lack of understanding of the highway code are far bigger dangers than speeding alone. And how you can ban mobile phones but allow drivers to follow their satnavs stuck to their windscreen, is beyond me.
I know that this email won't do any good - there is a far bigger agenda than just speeding that this is just a part of - id cards, road pricing, banning smoking, banning drinking, political correctness, big government, voter apathy, climate change paranoia, detention without trial, CCTV etc. - George Orwell was only a couple of decades out.
It is just a shame that children have to pay for your failed road policies with their lives.
Yours
Bing o
It was with dismay that I read the cover story of The Times newspaper this morning. Yet again the motorist is going to be persecuted in the name of "safety".
Increasing points for lower speed limits as proposed will not save children's lives. It will probably cost you the next election however.
I am one of the fortunate few in this country to have escaped the last ten years of Blairite dumbing down, and liberal political correctness that has infested this once proud island.
What Labour road policies have failed to address is education. Which is at least as consistent as your education policy I suppose.
Child road fatalities are on the rise because we don't teach them how to use roads safely in schools anymore, and the blame game climate assumes that little Billy getting run over was entirely the fault of the motorist doing 31 mph, not the fact that little Billy shouldn't be running out between parked cars onto a busy road.
The continued focus on speed kills has led to a massive degradation in driving standards in the 10 years that I have been driving - poor observation, lane discipline and lack of understanding of the highway code are far bigger dangers than speeding alone. And how you can ban mobile phones but allow drivers to follow their satnavs stuck to their windscreen, is beyond me.
I know that this email won't do any good - there is a far bigger agenda than just speeding that this is just a part of - id cards, road pricing, banning smoking, banning drinking, political correctness, big government, voter apathy, climate change paranoia, detention without trial, CCTV etc. - George Orwell was only a couple of decades out.
It is just a shame that children have to pay for your failed road policies with their lives.
Yours
Bing o
derestrictor said:
Communist vermin.
At least Mullah Omer was into Italian V12s.
We live on an island ruled by totalitarian scum.
Well said. This is less about revenue than control and removal of the freedom to travel. At least Mullah Omer was into Italian V12s.
We live on an island ruled by totalitarian scum.
It is very easy to break a 30 limit by quite a margin when driving from a 60 limit to a 30 with the 30 sign hidden in hedges or behind bridge supports as they are here in N Wales. And of course Arrive Alive are often seen targeting these very areas, right where the limit changes from a national to a 30 or from a 30 to a national where drivers sometimes accelerate too soon with a clear road ahead.
Bus anyone? State approved of course.
Bing o said:
Urine superheated, just dropped Jim a note at fitzpatrickj@parliament.uk
Great letter. We are now living in a Marxist state. How many ministers are "former communists"? Have they forgotten the word: 'former'?Pissed off email said:
Dear Jim,
It was with dismay that I read the cover story of The Times newspaper this morning. Yet again the motorist is going to be persecuted in the name of "safety".
Increasing points for lower speed limits as proposed will not save children's lives. It will probably cost you the next election however.
I am one of the fortunate few in this country to have escaped the last ten years of Blairite dumbing down, and liberal political correctness that has infested this once proud island.
What Labour road policies have failed to address is education. Which is at least as consistent as your education policy I suppose.
Child road fatalities are on the rise because we don't teach them how to use roads safely in schools anymore, and the blame game climate assumes that little Billy getting run over was entirely the fault of the motorist doing 31 mph, not the fact that little Billy shouldn't be running out between parked cars onto a busy road.
The continued focus on speed kills has led to a massive degradation in driving standards in the 10 years that I have been driving - poor observation, lane discipline and lack of understanding of the highway code are far bigger dangers than speeding alone. And how you can ban mobile phones but allow drivers to follow their satnavs stuck to their windscreen, is beyond me.
I know that this email won't do any good - there is a far bigger agenda than just speeding that this is just a part of - id cards, road pricing, banning smoking, banning drinking, political correctness, big government, voter apathy, climate change paranoia, detention without trial, CCTV etc. - George Orwell was only a couple of decades out.
It is just a shame that children have to pay for your failed road policies with their lives.
Yours
Bing o
It was with dismay that I read the cover story of The Times newspaper this morning. Yet again the motorist is going to be persecuted in the name of "safety".
Increasing points for lower speed limits as proposed will not save children's lives. It will probably cost you the next election however.
I am one of the fortunate few in this country to have escaped the last ten years of Blairite dumbing down, and liberal political correctness that has infested this once proud island.
What Labour road policies have failed to address is education. Which is at least as consistent as your education policy I suppose.
Child road fatalities are on the rise because we don't teach them how to use roads safely in schools anymore, and the blame game climate assumes that little Billy getting run over was entirely the fault of the motorist doing 31 mph, not the fact that little Billy shouldn't be running out between parked cars onto a busy road.
The continued focus on speed kills has led to a massive degradation in driving standards in the 10 years that I have been driving - poor observation, lane discipline and lack of understanding of the highway code are far bigger dangers than speeding alone. And how you can ban mobile phones but allow drivers to follow their satnavs stuck to their windscreen, is beyond me.
I know that this email won't do any good - there is a far bigger agenda than just speeding that this is just a part of - id cards, road pricing, banning smoking, banning drinking, political correctness, big government, voter apathy, climate change paranoia, detention without trial, CCTV etc. - George Orwell was only a couple of decades out.
It is just a shame that children have to pay for your failed road policies with their lives.
Yours
Bing o
What I don't understand is why we put up with it but what to do against the State grinding machine.
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