Have'nt you coopers got better things to do?

[Fort Jefferson]

What is it with people who think, the laws they break, shouldn't be enforced. You hear it all the time on PH, wether it be "I was only just over the limit" or "you could still tell what my numberplate said if you looked hard enough". Do the Police on PH get this from house burglars muggers and armed robbers? do they say, I was only stealing something, I wasn't going to hurt anyone?

[JustinP1]

In my experience coopers are best at sticking to making barrels.

[Einion Yrth]

Fort Jefferson said:

What is it with people who think, the laws they break, shouldn't be enforced. You hear it all the time on PH, wether it be "I was only just over the limit" or "you could still tell what my numberplate said if you looked hard enough". Do the Police on PH get this from house burglars muggers and armed robbers? do they say, I was only stealing something, I wasn't going to hurt anyone?

Will you be attending church on foot, on Christmas day? Do you intend to eat mince pies on 25/12? When did you last attend archery practice on a Sunday?

Not all laws are equal.

[FiveStar]

Fort Jefferson said:

Do the Police on PH get this from house burglars muggers and armed robbers? do they say, I was only stealing something, I wasn't going to hurt anyone?

They dont need to because they know they are only going to get get a caution and no fine!

[Jasandjules]

Fort Jefferson said:

What is it with people who think, the laws they break, shouldn't be enforced.

I think it is more that speeding is an offence which has no victim, therefore the strict enforcement of such a crime breeds resentment that burglars are not being caught. This is verified when for example a brick is put through my lotus window and the police don't bother to attend as they don't have anyone free. Yet, that same afternoon I see two police officers in the High St with a speed gun.. Hurrah.

[oldsoak]

Einion Yrth said:

Fort Jefferson said:

What is it with people who think, the laws they break, shouldn't be enforced. You hear it all the time on PH, wether it be "I was only just over the limit" or "you could still tell what my numberplate said if you looked hard enough". Do the Police on PH get this from house burglars muggers and armed robbers? do they say, I was only stealing something, I wasn't going to hurt anyone?

Will you be attending church on foot, on Christmas day? Do you intend to eat mince pies on 25/12? When did you last attend archery practice on a Sunday?

Not all laws are equal.

Not all laws require you to wear Sherwood green tights either .........
The majority of those laws discussed on these boards are far more recent and are enforced today....whilst the ones you quoted are not.

[SS2.]

JustinP1 said:

In my experience coopers are best at sticking to making barrels.

Well spotted, sir..

[EU_Foreigner]

Please tell me this is a windup post ... (if not, you can apply to become a labour MP)

[Get Karter]

JustinP1 said:

In my experience coopers are best at sticking to making barrels.

[Yung Man]

JustinP1 said:

In my experience coopers are best at sticking to making barrels.

You can tell it's Friday.

[vonhosen]

Fort Jefferson said:

. Do the Police on PH get this from house burglars muggers and armed robbers? do they say, I was only stealing something, I wasn't going to hurt anyone?

Yep.

[vonhosen]

Jasandjules said:

Fort Jefferson said:

What is it with people who think, the laws they break, shouldn't be enforced.

I think it is more that speeding is an offence which has no victim, therefore the strict enforcement of such a crime breeds resentment that burglars are not being caught. This is verified when for example a brick is put through my lotus window and the police don't bother to attend as they don't have anyone free. Yet, that same afternoon I see two police officers in the High St with a speed gun.. Hurrah.

Were the Police called whilst the offence was taking place ?
If not there probably wasn't much likelihood of catching the person who threw the brick through your window. There is of catching that speeder though.

[Bing o]

vonhosen said:

Jasandjules said:

Fort Jefferson said:

What is it with people who think, the laws they break, shouldn't be enforced.

I think it is more that speeding is an offence which has no victim, therefore the strict enforcement of such a crime breeds resentment that burglars are not being caught. This is verified when for example a brick is put through my lotus window and the police don't bother to attend as they don't have anyone free. Yet, that same afternoon I see two police officers in the High St with a speed gun.. Hurrah.

Were the Police called whilst the offence was taking place ?
If not there probably wasn't much likelihood of catching the person who threw the brick through your window. There is of catching that speeder though.

So you encourage petty vandalism and punish victimless crimes.

Vive la revolution!!

[Munter]

vonhosen said:

Jasandjules said:

Fort Jefferson said:

What is it with people who think, the laws they break, shouldn't be enforced.

I think it is more that speeding is an offence which has no victim, therefore the strict enforcement of such a crime breeds resentment that burglars are not being caught. This is verified when for example a brick is put through my lotus window and the police don't bother to attend as they don't have anyone free. Yet, that same afternoon I see two police officers in the High St with a speed gun.. Hurrah.

Were the Police called whilst the offence was taking place ?
If not there probably wasn't much likelihood of catching the person who threw the brick through your window. There is of catching that speeder though.

I really hope your not using that as an excuse to justify police policy. If you dont do ANY investigation into ANY crime the likelyhood of an arrest is small. All thats required is a quick look at the area to see if there are any CCTV cameras that may have captured anything, and fingerprint the brick. If his print can be lifted and he's known, then whats the chance of arrest Mr von? If his image is captured and the victim or copper knows the person whats the chance of arrest then?

I forking hate people who whine "Thas a bit hard why dont we do something else". Because your not payed to avoid doing something thats hard! Be that Policing or plastering you bloody well do it because it's YOUR job.

[L14MNV]

• CAN/WORMS/OPENS*

I wouldn't necessarily say speeding is a victimless crime because it "could" play a part in a collision where damage is caused or injuries are sustained.

The Police have countless departments’ which work on separate things, such as CID for serious offences and traffic Officers to deal with Traffic. Beat Officers to deal with burglaries/thefts etc. That's why it confuses me when people state that Beat Officers should be out catching rapists and murderers instead of punishing what appears of face value, minor traffic violations.

You haven't evidenced that the Police aren't catching burglars as your example is of damage to a motor vehicle, not burglary. In the scale of all things that are phoned into the Police, Damaged cars are ten a penny - so don’t expect SWAT to descend from the sky’s to apprehend some random jealous incited moron who chooses to damage your car.

I can empathize entirely with your case but realistically, those offences are rarely detected through lack of evidence, Police resources and Government funding. It’s no fault of the Poor bastard in a uniform that turns up to your door, three days later and gets it in the neck.

Edited by L14MNV on Friday 16th November 16:36

[Yung Man]

Munter said:

vonhosen said:

Jasandjules said:

Fort Jefferson said:

What is it with people who think, the laws they break, shouldn't be enforced.

I think it is more that speeding is an offence which has no victim, therefore the strict enforcement of such a crime breeds resentment that burglars are not being caught. This is verified when for example a brick is put through my lotus window and the police don't bother to attend as they don't have anyone free. Yet, that same afternoon I see two police officers in the High St with a speed gun.. Hurrah.

Were the Police called whilst the offence was taking place ?
If not there probably wasn't much likelihood of catching the person who threw the brick through your window. There is of catching that speeder though.

I really hope your not using that as an excuse to justify police policy. If you dont do ANY investigation into ANY crime the likelyhood of an arrest is small. All thats required is a quick look at the area to see if there are any CCTV cameras that may have captured anything, and fingerprint the brick. If his print can be lifted and he's known, then whats the chance of arrest Mr von? If his image is captured and the victim or copper knows the person whats the chance of arrest then?

They can't even be bothered to stop and book people driving with a headlight out, how easy do they want it?.

[L14MNV]

Munter said:

vonhosen said:

Jasandjules said:

Fort Jefferson said:

What is it with people who think, the laws they break, shouldn't be enforced.

I think it is more that speeding is an offence which has no victim, therefore the strict enforcement of such a crime breeds resentment that burglars are not being caught. This is verified when for example a brick is put through my lotus window and the police don't bother to attend as they don't have anyone free. Yet, that same afternoon I see two police officers in the High St with a speed gun.. Hurrah.

Were the Police called whilst the offence was taking place ?
If not there probably wasn't much likelihood of catching the person who threw the brick through your window. There is of catching that speeder though.

I really hope your not using that as an excuse to justify police policy. If you dont do ANY investigation into ANY crime the likelyhood of an arrest is small. All thats required is a quick look at the area to see if there are any CCTV cameras that may have captured anything, and fingerprint the brick. If his print can be lifted and he's known, then whats the chance of arrest Mr von? If his image is captured and the victim or copper knows the person whats the chance of arrest then?

I forking hate people who whine "Thas a bit hard why dont we do something else". Because your not payed to avoid doing something thats hard! Be that Policing or plastering you bloody well do it because it's YOUR job.

You cannot finger print a brick unless its a glass one.

[vonhosen]

Munter said:

vonhosen said:

Jasandjules said:

Fort Jefferson said:

What is it with people who think, the laws they break, shouldn't be enforced.

I think it is more that speeding is an offence which has no victim, therefore the strict enforcement of such a crime breeds resentment that burglars are not being caught. This is verified when for example a brick is put through my lotus window and the police don't bother to attend as they don't have anyone free. Yet, that same afternoon I see two police officers in the High St with a speed gun.. Hurrah.

Were the Police called whilst the offence was taking place ?
If not there probably wasn't much likelihood of catching the person who threw the brick through your window. There is of catching that speeder though.

I really hope your not using that as an excuse to justify police policy. If you dont do ANY investigation into ANY crime the likelyhood of an arrest is small. All thats required is a quick look at the area to see if there are any CCTV cameras that may have captured anything, and fingerprint the brick. If his print can be lifted and he's known, then whats the chance of arrest Mr von? If his image is captured and the victim or copper knows the person whats the chance of arrest then?

I forking hate people who whine "Thas a bit hard why dont we do something else". Because your not payed to avoid doing something thats hard! Be that Policing or plastering you bloody well do it because it's YOUR job.

Of course crimes that have leads are screened in to be investigated. It's if there aren't any they won't be.

Are there CCTV cameras (it will be a question asked in telephone reporting & the station will know where the local authority CCTV is) ?
A brick won't get fingerprinted for that offence, simply because there aren't sufficient forensic resources to do it.
If his fingerprint is on the brick, that isn't evidence that he committed the offence, it's evidence that suggests he touched the brick at some stage.
("Yes officer, it was in the road. I picked it up and placed it on a wall, so that no cyclist would hit it & injure themselves.&quot

Edited by vonhosen on Friday 16th November 16:39

[Munter]

vonhosen said:

Munter said:

vonhosen said:

Jasandjules said:

Fort Jefferson said:

What is it with people who think, the laws they break, shouldn't be enforced.

I think it is more that speeding is an offence which has no victim, therefore the strict enforcement of such a crime breeds resentment that burglars are not being caught. This is verified when for example a brick is put through my lotus window and the police don't bother to attend as they don't have anyone free. Yet, that same afternoon I see two police officers in the High St with a speed gun.. Hurrah.

Were the Police called whilst the offence was taking place ?
If not there probably wasn't much likelihood of catching the person who threw the brick through your window. There is of catching that speeder though.

I really hope your not using that as an excuse to justify police policy. If you dont do ANY investigation into ANY crime the likelyhood of an arrest is small. All thats required is a quick look at the area to see if there are any CCTV cameras that may have captured anything, and fingerprint the brick. If his print can be lifted and he's known, then whats the chance of arrest Mr von? If his image is captured and the victim or copper knows the person whats the chance of arrest then?

I forking hate people who whine "Thas a bit hard why dont we do something else". Because your not payed to avoid doing something thats hard! Be that Policing or plastering you bloody well do it because it's YOUR job.

Are there CCTV cameras (it will be a question asked in telephone reporting & the station will know where the local authority CCTV is) ?
A brick won't get fingerprinted for that offence, simply because there aren't sufficient forensic resources to do it.
If his fingerprint is on the brick, that isn't evidence that he committed the offence, it's evidence that suggests he touched the brick at some stage.
("Yes officer, it was in the road. I picked it up and placed it on a wall, so that no cyclist would hit it & injure themselves.&quot

Whats CCTV got to do with the local authority? It could be a shops security camera.
Fine complain about lack of resources (And if it was me there'd be 5 times as many bodys in the police), but dont complain that theres no likelyhood of finding the criminal just because you have too few people. The issues are seperate. One just compounds the other.

[vonhosen]

Bing o said:

vonhosen said:

Jasandjules said:

Fort Jefferson said:

What is it with people who think, the laws they break, shouldn't be enforced.

I think it is more that speeding is an offence which has no victim, therefore the strict enforcement of such a crime breeds resentment that burglars are not being caught. This is verified when for example a brick is put through my lotus window and the police don't bother to attend as they don't have anyone free. Yet, that same afternoon I see two police officers in the High St with a speed gun.. Hurrah.

Were the Police called whilst the offence was taking place ?
If not there probably wasn't much likelihood of catching the person who threw the brick through your window. There is of catching that speeder though.

So you encourage petty vandalism and punish victimless crimes.

Vive la revolution!!

Or alternatively you cold look at it that you report people for offences where there is sufficient evidence.
If there isn't sufficient evidence to charge the vandal, not reporting the speeder doesn't suddenly magic it up & there's no point not reporting the speeder simply because there wasn't evidence to charge the vandal (if you believe the speeder warranted prosecution).

In my career I've actually charged more vandals than reported speeders

Edited by vonhosen on Friday 16th November 16:46