Work colleague caught doing 137mph

[funkyrobot]

Clocked at this speed 1 week ago, unmarked followed him on his motorbike.

Average of 106mph.

Any chance of jail time??

Crazy! Just think of what Lincs Road Safety Pratnership will think!!

[FiveStar]

56 day ban

[vonhosen]

funkyrobot said:

Any chance of jail time??

Not if the only offence is speeding.

[tigger1]

Was he reported for 106mph or 137mph?
What distance over? Nothing helpful to add - just curious really, but obviously the longer the distance and higher the reported speed the worse the possible outcome may be, but yes - I think there's a minimum ban of 56 days on it's way.

[Jolley]

If only 108mph, depends on the court hearing. 100 to 110 seems a bit of a grey area. Generally it will be a short ban.

Mine with 108mph average ended in a £1,000 fine £250 costs and 6 points. although I shouldn't have been found guilty in the first place... but that is a different story.

[FiveStar]

Jolley said:

If only 108mph, depends on the court hearing. 100 to 110 seems a bit of a grey area. Generally it will be a short ban.

Mine with 108mph average ended in a £1,000 fine £250 costs and 6 points. although I shouldn't have been found guilty in the first place... but that is a different story.

A grand fine? You must be on a decent salary! How much has it affected your insurance?

[Jolley]

FiveStar said:

A grand fine? You must be on a decent salary! How much has it affected your insurance?

Yeah... means tested fines... don't you just love them!! Scrote with no money or insurance gets a £50 fine, yet because I have worked hard I get the maximum under the guidelines. Surely you should be fined according to your crime, not your wealth?!! The funniest thing (I can laugh now) is that it was in Essex Magistrates court:

Magistrate: blah, blah fine, how will you be paying
My Solicitor: We will discuss that with the payment office (according to my Solicitor most courts have them apart from Essex!). My client gets paid in 2 weeks so we will make arrangements to pay then.
Magistrate: You have to pay it now, there are signs up at the door. Why can you not pay it now.
Me: I was not made aware (court or solicitor) that I would have to pay it straight away, and I live in Bucks so how could I have read the notice before arriving? I have no cards with me.
Magistrate: Is there someone at home you can phone to get the card number.
Me: No.
Magistrate: Who is your card with? can you phone them to get your number?
Me: (Flabbergasted!) Probably.

Magistrate then gets upset and instructs clerk to remove me to waiting room and insists I do not leave until he has payment!!! How much of a bloody criminal am I?! Fortunately, because I expected a ban my Father had driven me to court and he bailed me out!!

I do not think it has afected insurance too much (SP60 code and 6 points are not much worse than most people have on their licences these days)

Edited by Jolley on Friday 16th November 17:11

[TripleS]

Jolley said:

FiveStar said:

A grand fine? You must be on a decent salary! How much has it affected your insurance?

Yeah... means tested fines... don't you just love them!! Scrote with no money or insurance gets a £50 fine, yet because I have worked hard I get the maximum under the guidelines. Surely you should be fined according to your crime, not your wealth?!! The funniest thing (I can laugh now) is that it was in Essex Magistrates court:

Magistrate: blah, blah fine, how will you be paying
My Solicitor: We will discuss that with the payment office (according to my Solicitor most courts have them apart from Essex!). My client gets paid in 2 weeks so we will make arrangements to pay then.
Magistrate: You have to pay it now, there are signs up at the door. Why can you not pay it now.
Me: I was not made aware (court or solicitor) that I would have to pay it straight away, and I live in Bucks so how could I have read the notice before arriving? I have no cards with me.
Magistrate: Is there someone at home you can phone to get the card number.
Me: No.
Magistrate: Who is your card with? can you phone them to get your number?
Me: (Flabbergasted!) Probably.

Magistrate then gets upset and instructs clerk to remove me to waiting room and insists I do not leave until he has payment!!! How much of a bloody criminal am I?! Fortunately, because I expected a ban my Father had driven me to court and he bailed me out!!

I do not think it has afected insurance too much (SP60 code and 6 points are not much worse than most people have on their licences these days)

Edited by Jolley on Friday 16th November 17:11

It makes me sick the way these useless magistrates can be all heavy handed with you for simply exceeding a speed limit but causing no problem for anybody, but when it comes to significant crime wilfully committed that does actual harm to somebody, they let them off quite lightly.

I expect there'll be a police officer along in a minute to explain how this is all quite reasonable, fair and balanced etc., but we'll see. It certainly doesn't look it to me.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[Jolley]

TripleS said:

I expect there'll be a police officer along in a minute to explain how this is all quite reasonable, fair and balanced etc., but we'll see. It certainly doesn't look it to me.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

Don't get me started on the Policeman that put in his statement the Vascar had not been calibrated and admitted in court he didn't know how to... or the fact that I was not actually id'd as the driver. In the hearing that they found me guilty (that I could not attend due to working in the Maldives) he said that I had shown him a photo licence. Funny that I had never been issued one then!! The Magistrate brushed all of this aside despite the clerk poitning out that under English law they could not find me guilty, and decided that if the Policeman said so it must be true!! I think they are pushing every dodgy decision through in the hope you cannot afford to appeal (I was just bored of the whole thing!).

By the way, don't get me wrong. I am not anti-Police. Miost of my dealings with them have been perfectly acceptable. Most Police I know do not agree with Means tested fines either. For me it is the dodgy unlawful magistrates making up their own rules that need a beating!!

Edited by Jolley on Friday 16th November 17:57

[safespeed]

Jolley said:

I do not think it has afected insurance too much (SP60 code and 6 points are not much worse than most people have on their licences these days)

SP60 code has been withdrawn by the Home Office. Was this long ago?

[s2art]

Jolley said:

TripleS said:

I expect there'll be a police officer along in a minute to explain how this is all quite reasonable, fair and balanced etc., but we'll see. It certainly doesn't look it to me.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

Don't get me started on the Policeman that put in his statement the Vascar had not been calibrated and admitted in court he didn't know how to... or the fact that I was not actually id'd as the driver. In the hearing that they found me guilty (that I could not attend due to working in the Maldives) he said that I had shown him a photo licence. Funny that I had never been issued one then!! The Magistrate brushed all of this aside despite the clerk poitning out that under English law they could not find me guilty, and decided that if the Policeman said so it must be true!! I think they are pushing every dodgy decision through in the hope you cannot afford to appeal (I was just bored of the whole thing!).

By the way, don't get me wrong. I am not anti-Police. Miost of my dealings with them have been perfectly acceptable. Most Police I know do not agree with Means tested fines either. For me it is the dodgy unlawful magistrates making up their own rules that need a beating!!

Edited by Jolley on Friday 16th November 17:57

Hmmmm. If all this is true why didnt you simply appeal. Looks like an easy win.

[herewego]

Jolley said:

FiveStar said:

A grand fine? You must be on a decent salary! How much has it affected your insurance?

Yeah... means tested fines... don't you just love them!! Scrote with no money or insurance gets a £50 fine, yet because I have worked hard I get the maximum under the guidelines. Surely you should be fined according to your crime, not your wealth?!! The funniest thing (I can laugh now) is that it was in Essex Magistrates court:

£50 wouldn't be much of a punishment for you, and it's supposed to hurt a little bit. If it doesn't hurt what's the point?

[TripleS]

herewego said:

Jolley said:

FiveStar said:

A grand fine? You must be on a decent salary! How much has it affected your insurance?

Yeah... means tested fines... don't you just love them!! Scrote with no money or insurance gets a £50 fine, yet because I have worked hard I get the maximum under the guidelines. Surely you should be fined according to your crime, not your wealth?!! The funniest thing (I can laugh now) is that it was in Essex Magistrates court:

£50 wouldn't be much of a punishment for you, and it's supposed to hurt a little bit. If it doesn't hurt what's the point?

As far as prosecutions for speeding are concerned, there isn't one. They shouldn't bother.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[Jolley]

safespeed said:

Jolley said:

I do not think it has afected insurance too much (SP60 code and 6 points are not much worse than most people have on their licences these days)

SP60 code has been withdrawn by the Home Office. Was this long ago?

Mid-August. But then I would not expect a backwards Magistrates court such as this to have realised!!

s2art said:

Hmmmm. If all this is true why didnt you simply appeal. Looks like an easy win.

Because I am living in the Maldives and it had already cost me a fortune in flights and Solicitors. I had no intention of returning withing 3 years when I got the final outcome in August, so simply left it for a peaceful life. Unfortunately, now I am returning in March, so wish I had!!

herewego said:

£50 wouldn't be much of a punishment for you, and it's supposed to hurt a little bit. If it doesn't hurt what's the point?

The 6 points are enough to make me behave myself. Yes, the fine did sting and you are right that it should. What I meant was that it seems unfair that I would have been charged less had I not been earning so much.... one crime, one punishment.

[SS2.]

Jolley said:

I had no intention of returning withing 3 years when I got the final outcome in August, so simply left it for a peaceful life. Unfortunately, now I am returning in March, so wish I had!!

It might not be as bad as you think - for totting purposes, the points will cease to be valid after 3 years from the date of the offence.

[Jolley]

SS2. said:

It might not be as bad as you think - for totting purposes, the points will cease to be valid after 3 years from the date of the offence.

That is why I left it, it would have been gone by the time I returned. Offence was June/July 2006, so by the time actually come back I will only have a year left. Still have to tell the insurers for 5 years though!!

[safespeed]

Jolley said:

safespeed said:

Jolley said:

I do not think it has afected insurance too much (SP60 code and 6 points are not much worse than most people have on their licences these days)

SP60 code has been withdrawn by the Home Office. Was this long ago?

Mid-August. But then I would not expect a backwards Magistrates court such as this to have realised!!

Then watch out for unreasonable effects on insurance quotes.

Ultimately you can write to the court and get it sorted (but everyone says it's a pain).

It's about 18 months since we got it withdrawn.

[Jolley]

safespeed said:

Then watch out for unreasonable effects on insurance quotes.

Ultimately you can write to the court and get it sorted (but everyone says it's a pain).

It's about 18 months since we got it withdrawn.

Interesting. So what should the code be for being caught doing 108mph on a dual carriageway?

Most insurance sites still list SP60, so I could do a direct comparison to what it should be to see if it is worth the swap.

[BliarOut]

funkyrobot said:

Clocked at this speed 1 week ago, unmarked followed him on his motorbike.

Average of 106mph.

Any chance of jail time??

Crazy! Just think of what Lincs Road Safety Pratnership will think!!

Where abouts and by what? Handy to know as I travel the same roads as you...

PM me if you'd rather keep it off the forum.

[safespeed]

Jolley said:

safespeed said:

Then watch out for unreasonable effects on insurance quotes.

Ultimately you can write to the court and get it sorted (but everyone says it's a pain).

It's about 18 months since we got it withdrawn.

Interesting. So what should the code be for being caught doing 108mph on a dual carriageway?

Most insurance sites still list SP60, so I could do a direct comparison to what it should be to see if it is worth the swap.

It should be SP30.

SP60 started to be issued in large numbers in error in about 2001 / 2002. At first it gave the insurance companies a big shock (risk of the unknown?) and lots of premiums were loaded. Over the next few years most insurance companies 'got used to it' and the premium loadings dropped. Now it's becoming increasingly rare I simply don't know what the insurance companies are doing.

I worked on it on and off since about 2003. In 2005 I enlisted The Daily Telegraph, and the Home Office eventually admitted that the code was being widely used in error. It was later completely withdrawn.