A Shiny New One.

[fluffnik]

The "Criminal Justice System" is broken beyond repair, what shall we get to replace it?

[Puddenchucker]

Judge Dredd?

[delboy735]

Charles Bronson !!!

[fluffnik]

Puddenchucker said:

Judge Dredd?

I was thinking less Judge Dredd myself...

[[AJ]]

I'm sure I could write an algorithm that could take the place of our police force. Should only take me a sec..

function calculatespeed(lawabidingcitizen) {
var i = form.distunits.selectedIndex;
var distunitsvalue = form.distunits.options[i].value;
var j = form.speedunits.selectedIndex;
var speedunitsvalue = form.speedunits.options[j].value;
var temp = ((parseFloat(form.hourvalue.value) * 3600) + (parseFloat(form.minutevalue.value) * 60) + parseFloat(form.secondvalue.value));
form.speedvalue.value = ((form.distvalue.value * distunitsvalue) / (temp * speedunitsvalue));
return £60FineAnd3Points;

..there.

Edited by [AJ] on Friday 16th November 22:26

[Globulator]

[AJ] said:

I'm sure I could write an algorithm that could take the place of our police force. Should only take me a sec..

function calculatespeed(lawabidingcitizen) {
var i = form.distunits.selectedIndex;
var distunitsvalue = form.distunits.options[i].value;
var j = form.speedunits.selectedIndex;
var speedunitsvalue = form.speedunits.options[j].value;
var temp = ((parseFloat(form.hourvalue.value) * 3600) + (parseFloat(form.minutevalue.value) * 60) + parseFloat(form.secondvalue.value));
form.speedvalue.value = ((form.distvalue.value * distunitsvalue) / (temp * speedunitsvalue));
return £60FineAnd3Points;

..there.

No, it has to be something new...

[M5Dave]

fluffnik said:

Puddenchucker said:

Judge Dredd?

I was thinking less Judge Dredd myself...

How much less were you thinking, because it would appear that it's currently being run by something akin to the wimmin's guild.

[Oilchange]

Its all concentrating on prevalent offences that can earn the treasury revenue and the Labour Party stats for solved crime to twist and rearrange as they see fit.

Mug an old lady, she dies a week later and there is no money made in fines so release the crim as it'll cost loads to jaol him and there aren't any cells available anyway.

Catch a driver on a quiet, dry, well lit motorway at midnight doing a few more than the speed limit and there's a fat bank balance of hard earned to pilfer for spending on "Schools and the Health Service" aka "MP's pay rises and expenses, Lords Expenses, extra cars for deputy PM's who don't actually do anything and er, going to war..."

mmm. that was almost a rant, for me anyway.

Edited by Oilchange on Saturday 17th November 16:37

[Oilchange]

Oilchange said:

Its all concentrating on prevalent offences that can earn the treasury revenue.

Mug an old lady, she dies a week later and there is no money made in fines so release the crim as it'll cost loads to jaol him and there aren't any cells available anyway.

Catch a driver on a quiet, dry, well lit motorway at midnight doing a few more than the speed limit and there's a fat bank balance of hard earned to pilfer for spending on "Schools and the Health Service" aka "MP's pay rises and expenses, Lords Expenses, extra cars for deputy PM's who don't actually do anything and er, going to war..."

mmm. that was almost a rant, for me anyway.

Didn't answer the question though. How about a change of Government. That should rearrange a few ridiculous laws, shouldn't it?

Edited by Oilchange on Saturday 17th November 16:35

[fluffnik]

Oilchange said:

Didn't answer the question though. How about a change of Government. That should rearrange a few ridiculous laws, shouldn't it?

Yes, but it leaves the underlying problem untouched if we still have ACPO, the permanent Civil Service and a whole raft of self-serving QUANGOs snuffling at the tax-trough.

We need to bin the whole smelly mess and start again.

[Globulator]

Oilchange said:

How about a change of Government. That should rearrange a few ridiculous laws, shouldn't it?

That's what people thought when the tories got pushed out...
New governments 'can't be worse' but always seem to indeed be, considerably worse.

[mark69sheer]

Governments should have a maximum of 6 yrs in office then each succesive one will get to fix the boocks up of the last one before things get too far out of kilter.
They should present a manifesto that is legally binding where variance from can only be approved by an all party comitee

[Santa Claws]

Puddenchucker said:

Judge Dredd?

Either that, or abolish ALL laws alltogether and allow people to do whatever they want.

[stara]

this country is too far in the sh1t to make significant changes, it really needs to be ripped up and started again, every single government employee, councils, police, etc etc should be sacked, and forced to re-apply for their jobs on a 1yr trial basis..........................the amount of our cash that is wasted, esp by local councils and quangos is astounding, they should be accountable to us.............hey how about a new party the 'rip it up and start again-atives' got my vote.

[oldsoak]

fluffnik said:

The "Criminal Justice System" is broken beyond repair, what shall we get to replace it?

FLUFFNIK
Be nice to see you improving things rather than bleating about them

[Puddenchucker]

Would I be correct in assuming that what the O.P. is getting at is that most people (at least on this site) would prefer a Justice system that pursued and punished thieves, muggers, burglers, vandals, drug-dealers and other assorted low-life scrotes with the same sort of fervent zeal and enthusiasm that they seem to reserve for 'soft-target' otherwise (apparently) law-abiding motorists who drive a few mph above the legal limit or along a deserted bus-lane?

[Bing o]

mark69sheer said:

Governments should have a maximum of 6 yrs in office then each succesive one will get to fix the boocks up of the last one before things get too far out of kilter.
They should present a manifesto that is legally binding where variance from can only be approved by an all party comitee

But it's exactly that sort of short-termism that means that our transport infrastructure is ed. Probably one of the biggest failings of democracy is it's short-termism.

You really want a tactical group to look at infrastructure management, deal with problems as and when they come up, and then a strategic group to look at longer term infrastructure requirements - transport, healthcare, the environment, industry etc.

[Puggit]

Replace it with common sense?

Sorry, just thinking out loud

[Oilchange]

This is where I think the Yanks are ahead of us, their President can serve 2 terms of 4 years. His/her popularity is tested with a 4 yearly election and everyone knows after 8 years max there will be new blood in power.
I could live with this.


And I think that 8 years is about right for any reform of criminal justice (as well as NHS etc) to have a positive effect. Hopefully.

Edited by Oilchange on Sunday 18th November 15:47

[delboy735]

Oilchange said:

This is where I think the Yanks are ahead of us, their President can serve 2 terms of 4 years. His/her popularity is tested with a 4 yearly election and everyone knows after 8 years max there will be new blood in power.
I could live with this.


And I think that 8 years is about right for any reform of criminal justice (as well as NHS etc) to have a positive effect. Hopefully.

Edited by Oilchange on Sunday 18th November 15:47

Reform is highly unlikely. We live in a soft society now. It's about time we instilled some fear into the ers that have no respect for others. Lock the tts up, and let their respective families feed them......or they starve. Let teachers hit kids who misbehave, didn't do me any harm. Let parents smack kids who misbehave...again, didn't do me any harm. Beating, now that's different altogether, but a short sharp SLAP usually did the trick for me.

Come on, we are a nation of moaners and whingers, who sit back and let change happen, usually for the worst. If you were to ask me who is to blame for todays softies.........Esther Rantzen, who pushed for more powers to protect children , and then inadvertently gave the little bastards the power to retaliate with threats of " I'll sue you", and "I want a divorce from my parents"...at that point, I would have saved the courts a lot of trouble.....there's your bag, now off.

Until fear is re-instated, no punishment will be enough! Do-gooders rule the nation, and our cells are full of petty criminals, whilst Murderers ,Rapists and terrorists do to the general public, what our legal system doesn't do to them. Scare them witless.

Rant over.