Taser - not so safe...?
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http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/25/c...
...but it's a shame Brunstrom didn't cark it a few days later (if he did get tasered
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cnn said:
VANCOUVER, Canada -- A Canadian man died Saturday, four days after police used a Taser stun-gun on him because he reportedly was acting erratically in a store, police said. He was the third person to die in recent weeks in Canada after being shocked by the hand-held weapon.
Robert Knipstrom, 36, died in a hospital after two officers used pepper spray, a Taser and their batons to subdue the British Columbia resident. Police earlier said Knipstrom was extremely agitated, aggressive and combative with the two officers who responded. He was conscious and speaking when he was taken to the hospital.
The cause of death has yet to be determined. Although a Taser was used against Knipstrom, it was not immediately clear what role, if any, it played in his death, said Inspector Brendan Fitzpatrick.
Investigations into Knipstrom's death have been launched separately by the British Columbia Coroner's Office and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, police said at a news conference Saturday.
The case comes as Canadian police face intense criticism over the death of Robert Dziekanski, a Polish immigrant who died at Vancouver airport last month after officers used a Taser and manhandled him.
A Nova Scotian man also died earlier this week, 30 hours after being shocked with the Taser at a jail where he was being held on assault charges. E-mail to a friend E-mail to a friend
Of course, there's little substance in the article...Robert Knipstrom, 36, died in a hospital after two officers used pepper spray, a Taser and their batons to subdue the British Columbia resident. Police earlier said Knipstrom was extremely agitated, aggressive and combative with the two officers who responded. He was conscious and speaking when he was taken to the hospital.
The cause of death has yet to be determined. Although a Taser was used against Knipstrom, it was not immediately clear what role, if any, it played in his death, said Inspector Brendan Fitzpatrick.
Investigations into Knipstrom's death have been launched separately by the British Columbia Coroner's Office and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, police said at a news conference Saturday.
The case comes as Canadian police face intense criticism over the death of Robert Dziekanski, a Polish immigrant who died at Vancouver airport last month after officers used a Taser and manhandled him.
A Nova Scotian man also died earlier this week, 30 hours after being shocked with the Taser at a jail where he was being held on assault charges. E-mail to a friend E-mail to a friend
...but it's a shame Brunstrom didn't cark it a few days later (if he did get tasered
)Watching Street Wars on Dave last night and there was a couple of american clips shown.
one was a black guy standing in the middle of a road blocking traffic.
Officer pulls up and tells the guy to move
Guy says something like "no" in an angry manner
officer pulls out gun, and says get on the ground etc.
guy ignores officer.
more police arrive, they taser him, he still struggles so they baton and mace him. All the while there is a crowd gathering so the police say go away or will come into the crowd and arrest all of you.
I hate america. we say this country is bad, but it is a damn sight better than those over zealous mavericks.
one was a black guy standing in the middle of a road blocking traffic.
Officer pulls up and tells the guy to move
Guy says something like "no" in an angry manner
officer pulls out gun, and says get on the ground etc.
guy ignores officer.
more police arrive, they taser him, he still struggles so they baton and mace him. All the while there is a crowd gathering so the police say go away or will come into the crowd and arrest all of you.
I hate america. we say this country is bad, but it is a damn sight better than those over zealous mavericks.
If you watch the video of this, the bloke isn't really very threatening.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=336...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=936_1195094875
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=336...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=936_1195094875
True TASERS are not inherently safe but they are a better option than a lot of tactical option that are in use by police.
An aggressive and violent prisoner is less likely to be seriously injured by a TASER than if struck with a friction lock baton.
Other officers are not going to be incapacitated by TASER unlike CS Spray.
Also CS is ineffective against people on drugs or with mental health issues. Who a lot of the time are the people you need these things to work on.
TASER is also a lot less likely to injure someone than a baton round or bullet.
Ultimately when force is required to ensure the safety of the public it is very difficult to do this without hurting anyone but I feel TASER strongly represents the lesser of two evils.
An aggressive and violent prisoner is less likely to be seriously injured by a TASER than if struck with a friction lock baton.
Other officers are not going to be incapacitated by TASER unlike CS Spray.
Also CS is ineffective against people on drugs or with mental health issues. Who a lot of the time are the people you need these things to work on.
TASER is also a lot less likely to injure someone than a baton round or bullet.
Ultimately when force is required to ensure the safety of the public it is very difficult to do this without hurting anyone but I feel TASER strongly represents the lesser of two evils.
Tiffer said:
True TASERS are not inherently safe but they are a better option than a lot of tactical option that are in use by police.
An aggressive and violent prisoner is less likely to be seriously injured by a TASER than if struck with a friction lock baton.
I've never heard of anyone who was calm and polite having a TASER used on them. As Tiffer says it's a good way of taking down a violent and aggressive person.An aggressive and violent prisoner is less likely to be seriously injured by a TASER than if struck with a friction lock baton.
Sure you might kill them in some cases, but I'd bet they are few and far between. But then some people will die from the stress of being arrested bringing on a heart attack. Should we stop arresting people?
Burgmeister said:
Watching Street Wars on Dave last night and there was a couple of american clips shown.
one was a black guy standing in the middle of a road blocking traffic.
Officer pulls up and tells the guy to move
Guy says something like "no" in an angry manner
officer pulls out gun, and says get on the ground etc.
guy ignores officer.
more police arrive, they taser him, he still struggles so they baton and mace him. All the while there is a crowd gathering so the police say go away or will come into the crowd and arrest all of you.
I hate america. we say this country is bad, but it is a damn sight better than those over zealous mavericks.
So the guy disobeys the police then disobeys them again when they have their guns pointed at him? Sorry but it sounds like he deserved everything he got. Darwin at work.one was a black guy standing in the middle of a road blocking traffic.
Officer pulls up and tells the guy to move
Guy says something like "no" in an angry manner
officer pulls out gun, and says get on the ground etc.
guy ignores officer.
more police arrive, they taser him, he still struggles so they baton and mace him. All the while there is a crowd gathering so the police say go away or will come into the crowd and arrest all of you.
I hate america. we say this country is bad, but it is a damn sight better than those over zealous mavericks.
130R said:
Burgmeister said:
Watching Street Wars on Dave last night and there was a couple of american clips shown.
one was a black guy standing in the middle of a road blocking traffic.
Officer pulls up and tells the guy to move
Guy says something like "no" in an angry manner
officer pulls out gun, and says get on the ground etc.
guy ignores officer.
more police arrive, they taser him, he still struggles so they baton and mace him. All the while there is a crowd gathering so the police say go away or will come into the crowd and arrest all of you.
I hate america. we say this country is bad, but it is a damn sight better than those over zealous mavericks.
So the guy disobeys the police then disobeys them again when they have their guns pointed at him? Sorry but it sounds like he deserved everything he got. Darwin at work.one was a black guy standing in the middle of a road blocking traffic.
Officer pulls up and tells the guy to move
Guy says something like "no" in an angry manner
officer pulls out gun, and says get on the ground etc.
guy ignores officer.
more police arrive, they taser him, he still struggles so they baton and mace him. All the while there is a crowd gathering so the police say go away or will come into the crowd and arrest all of you.
I hate america. we say this country is bad, but it is a damn sight better than those over zealous mavericks.
Burgmeister said:
130R said:
Burgmeister said:
Watching Street Wars on Dave last night and there was a couple of american clips shown.
one was a black guy standing in the middle of a road blocking traffic.
Officer pulls up and tells the guy to move
Guy says something like "no" in an angry manner
officer pulls out gun, and says get on the ground etc.
guy ignores officer.
more police arrive, they taser him, he still struggles so they baton and mace him. All the while there is a crowd gathering so the police say go away or will come into the crowd and arrest all of you.
I hate america. we say this country is bad, but it is a damn sight better than those over zealous mavericks.
So the guy disobeys the police then disobeys them again when they have their guns pointed at him? Sorry but it sounds like he deserved everything he got. Darwin at work.one was a black guy standing in the middle of a road blocking traffic.
Officer pulls up and tells the guy to move
Guy says something like "no" in an angry manner
officer pulls out gun, and says get on the ground etc.
guy ignores officer.
more police arrive, they taser him, he still struggles so they baton and mace him. All the while there is a crowd gathering so the police say go away or will come into the crowd and arrest all of you.
I hate america. we say this country is bad, but it is a damn sight better than those over zealous mavericks.
Burgmeister said:
I hate america. we say this country is bad, but it is a damn sight better than those over zealous mavericks.
Basing an opinion of a whole country on some crap TV?
Have you ever been to America? Perhaps to different parts of it (its culture varies widely)? Maybe you've lived there for a while? Got to know some ordinary Americans? Perhaps you've even asked an American policeman for directions?
ITS NOT LIKE THE TELLY!
Munter said:
Tiffer said:
True TASERS are not inherently safe but they are a better option than a lot of tactical option that are in use by police.
An aggressive and violent prisoner is less likely to be seriously injured by a TASER than if struck with a friction lock baton.
I've never heard of anyone who was calm and polite having a TASER used on them. As Tiffer says it's a good way of taking down a violent and aggressive person.An aggressive and violent prisoner is less likely to be seriously injured by a TASER than if struck with a friction lock baton.
Sure you might kill them in some cases, but I'd bet they are few and far between. But then some people will die from the stress of being arrested bringing on a heart attack. Should we stop arresting people?
Burgmeister said:
130R said:
Burgmeister said:
Watching Street Wars on Dave last night and there was a couple of american clips shown.
one was a black guy standing in the middle of a road blocking traffic.
Officer pulls up and tells the guy to move
Guy says something like "no" in an angry manner
officer pulls out gun, and says get on the ground etc.
guy ignores officer.
more police arrive, they taser him, he still struggles so they baton and mace him. All the while there is a crowd gathering so the police say go away or will come into the crowd and arrest all of you.
I hate america. we say this country is bad, but it is a damn sight better than those over zealous mavericks.
So the guy disobeys the police then disobeys them again when they have their guns pointed at him? Sorry but it sounds like he deserved everything he got. Darwin at work.one was a black guy standing in the middle of a road blocking traffic.
Officer pulls up and tells the guy to move
Guy says something like "no" in an angry manner
officer pulls out gun, and says get on the ground etc.
guy ignores officer.
more police arrive, they taser him, he still struggles so they baton and mace him. All the while there is a crowd gathering so the police say go away or will come into the crowd and arrest all of you.
I hate america. we say this country is bad, but it is a damn sight better than those over zealous mavericks.
Did you see the incident from start to finish or is it maybe just possible that some vital evidence was edited out for TV?
A simple rugby tackle would only serve to put you needlessly in striking distance of any concealed weapon (knife, syringe, etc) or maybe the guy is known to have an infectious disease which he has threatened to try and pass on to anyone who comes close enough.
Having been threatened with all of these at various points in my service I can assure you I would have no hesitation in using and justifying a use of force option if it saved me going hands on when dealing with a noncompliant individual.
FishFace said:
Burgmeister said:
Watching Street Wars on Dave last night and there was a couple of american clips shown.
one was a black guy standing in the middle of a road blocking traffic.
Officer pulls up and tells the guy to move
Guy says something like "no" in an angry manner
officer pulls out gun, and says get on the ground etc.
guy ignores officer.
more police arrive, they taser him, he still struggles so they baton and mace him. All the while there is a crowd gathering so the police say go away or will come into the crowd and arrest all of you.
I hate america. we say this country is bad, but it is a damn sight better than those over zealous mavericks.
It's the other way around. This country is bad compared to America. They don't one was a black guy standing in the middle of a road blocking traffic.
Officer pulls up and tells the guy to move
Guy says something like "no" in an angry manner
officer pulls out gun, and says get on the ground etc.
guy ignores officer.
more police arrive, they taser him, he still struggles so they baton and mace him. All the while there is a crowd gathering so the police say go away or will come into the crowd and arrest all of you.
I hate america. we say this country is bad, but it is a damn sight better than those over zealous mavericks.
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