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I'm using a route which includes a lane restriction. Usual 800 yard notice before cones come in from the right making two lanes into one.
Most people take their chances early or late and generally it works ok as they zip in one and one at the pinch point. There's a smattering of retards not letting people in so the whole thing comes to more or less a stand still occasionally.
Bizarrely most people seem to favour the non-closing lane so that, particularly after the 800 yard board, the right lane is quite free flowing and some cars take advantage of this.
Now to my question: There exist imbeciles in lorries who decide they need to block both lanes before the right lane is closed for some incomprehensible reason, and they'll carve out (dangerously) into the flow to straddle the centre line, sometimes at the 800 yard board!
Next time I see this happen and I take the number, what can I do with it? Obviously a letter to the business named on the truck letting them know they have an imbecile driving for them, but what about the police? What offence are they committing?
It'd sure be useful to get these scum out of their trucks and into a job they have the cognative capacity to do right. Like litter picking.
SM
Most people take their chances early or late and generally it works ok as they zip in one and one at the pinch point. There's a smattering of retards not letting people in so the whole thing comes to more or less a stand still occasionally.
Bizarrely most people seem to favour the non-closing lane so that, particularly after the 800 yard board, the right lane is quite free flowing and some cars take advantage of this.
Now to my question: There exist imbeciles in lorries who decide they need to block both lanes before the right lane is closed for some incomprehensible reason, and they'll carve out (dangerously) into the flow to straddle the centre line, sometimes at the 800 yard board!
Next time I see this happen and I take the number, what can I do with it? Obviously a letter to the business named on the truck letting them know they have an imbecile driving for them, but what about the police? What offence are they committing?
It'd sure be useful to get these scum out of their trucks and into a job they have the cognative capacity to do right. Like litter picking.
SM
As Gentlemen of the Road they appreciate, unless there are Zip signs/use both lanes on approach, that nupties hammer doiwn the offside lane right to the very end and then force their way into the nearside lane causing everyone to stop and set up a wave of stop/start/slow travel/queue jumping for the rest.
Merging in turn well on approach can lead to quicker movement through the works.(Highway Code 134)
Unfortunately drivers, for some reason, cannot seem to appreciate this.
Offence? Driving without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road ? Never heard of it being used. Doubt CPS would like it.
dvd
Merging in turn well on approach can lead to quicker movement through the works.(Highway Code 134)
Unfortunately drivers, for some reason, cannot seem to appreciate this.
Offence? Driving without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road ? Never heard of it being used. Doubt CPS would like it.
dvd
Dwight VanDriver said:
nupties hammer down the offside lane right to the very end
Or to put it another way they're making full use of all the available road way to reduce the length of the queues, a choice equally available to all drivers -- even the ones choosing to park on the left instead....However, whether it's right or wrong, nobody appoints truckers as some sort of "queue management officials" with the power to carve into moving traffic to enforce "proper" queueing.
So if I write to the local police with details of the offender, am I wasting my time?
SM
to play devils avodocate (spelling? its too early)
im sure the truckers get sick of people forcing in & slamming on the brakes so the truck has to perfrom an emergancy stop in order not to run over said moron & clean the genepool a bit.
use the road properly yes, cut in & 'stall' the traffic flow while risking accidents NO
im sure the truckers get sick of people forcing in & slamming on the brakes so the truck has to perfrom an emergancy stop in order not to run over said moron & clean the genepool a bit.
use the road properly yes, cut in & 'stall' the traffic flow while risking accidents NO
Im largly with the truck drivers.
- People who race down the RH lane and then expect to be let in right at the fag end of the merge ar tits.
- They slow the whole lot down for anyone else because of the stop/start of having to let them in or avoid collision when they cut in.
I do on occataion drive down the RH at the speed of the LH lane to stop this myself.
- It prevents all the unnessasaryness of late merges, and the bulk of people agree that its the thing to do, as ive alway had a space form for me in the LH lane to slip into as the merge comes up. It would be safer faster and smoother if everyone just merged at a sensable speed, well in advance of the bottleneck/lanemerge but unfortuantly the odd few cant handle that!
Daniel
- People who race down the RH lane and then expect to be let in right at the fag end of the merge ar tits.
- They slow the whole lot down for anyone else because of the stop/start of having to let them in or avoid collision when they cut in.
I do on occataion drive down the RH at the speed of the LH lane to stop this myself.
- It prevents all the unnessasaryness of late merges, and the bulk of people agree that its the thing to do, as ive alway had a space form for me in the LH lane to slip into as the merge comes up. It would be safer faster and smoother if everyone just merged at a sensable speed, well in advance of the bottleneck/lanemerge but unfortuantly the odd few cant handle that!
Daniel
dhutch said:
I do on occataion drive down the RH at the speed of the LH lane to stop this myself.
Then I'm afraid you too are an imbecile. Why doesn't water gather at one side of a pipe long before a restriction?In actual fact, if everybody used all available roadspace and found they were considerately left with a gap to neatly zip into at the end, the whole thing would be smooth flowing.
It's people who've made the wrong decision and found themselves at a disadvantage, trying to exact some sort of "revenge" on those people who made the right decision who cause the snarl up.
Why do you think the traffic people had to go to the expense of creating these merge in turn signs that are springing up now? It's to tell the hard-of-thinking that there's no need to artificially restrict yourself to a stationary lane before the actual restriction.
SM
Why do people feel the need to hack up the right lane when there are signs telling them that the road is merging to 1 lane up to 5 miles previously. As soon as you see the road merging ahead sign then get over. At that point it is usually very easy to get to the left lane without interfering with other drivers and a smooth passage for all is assured.
Twats that continue in the right hand lane until they are forced to merge is what causes the hold ups and congestion.
Twats that continue in the right hand lane until they are forced to merge is what causes the hold ups and congestion.
supermono said:
... Why doesn't water gather at one side of a pipe long before a restriction?
Well actually it does.- If you have an abrupt reduction in pipe diameter you will find the stagnated fluid just proir to the restiction.
But that only an mediocre analogy, because (hopfully) the assumtion that a car driving on a motor is simular to a inanimate partical does not hold true!
The limiting factor is, or should be, the narrowest point. Therefore in order to maximise thoughput and effiecently, effort should be put into prepairing the flow for said section well in advance.
- You only have to look into the time and effort put into designing restriction manifold sections to see that this is true.
Interestingly, leading on from this its worth nothing that as much as 2/3 of the lenght is of a resticted section is need for the divergence of flow. Which is infact also common with whats seen on roads, where there is often much time after the single lane before people fully repopulate the outside lane.
- But yeah, next time you see a high performance exahast the had a harsh step between changes in diameter and pipe merges, let me know.
Daniel
dhutch said:
supermono said:
... Why doesn't water gather at one side of a pipe long before a restriction?
Well actually it does.- If you have an abrupt reduction in pipe diameter you will find the stagnated fluid just proir to the restiction.
But that only an mediocre analogy, because (hopfully) the assumtion that a car driving on a motor is simular to a inanimate partical does not hold true!
The limiting factor is, or should be, the narrowest point. Therefore in order to maximise thoughput and effiecently, effort should be put into prepairing the flow for said section well in advance.
- You only have to look into the time and effort put into designing restriction manifold sections to see that this is true.
Interestingly, leading on from this its worth nothing that as much as 2/3 of the lenght is of a resticted section is need for the divergence of flow. Which is infact also common with whats seen on roads, where there is often much time after the single lane before people fully repopulate the outside lane.
- But yeah, next time you see a high performance exahast the had a harsh step between changes in diameter and pipe merges, let me know.
Daniel
I despise the arrogant control freaks in trucks those risk averse incompetents in other vehicles who seek to impose their own distorted version of the need for others to queue behind the point they have chosen to.
And I'm behind supermono on the concept that a 2 lane road merging into one can carry twice the traffic density per queue length if everyone were to follow the logical 'merge in turn' procedure. As for slamming on the brakes - simply doesnt and shouldn't happen
First post so be gentle...
This very subject has been a cause for debate amongst my peers, and I've actually been on both sides of the fence. Not that long ago I too was one of the 'numpties' that sat in the offside lane crawling at the same speed as the nearside one as some sort of 'saviour' to all the other cars decently queueing.
However a freind then pointed out the obvious disadvantage to this, in that (as the above post says) over a two lane stretch you're effectively halving the available road, thus restricting traffic flow. This suddenly made sense, and caused me to see the error of my ways. I also understand the annoyance at getting people bolting down and forcing their way in - but my personal belief is the there is a correct way to do this: simply treat it as if you were merging or joining a motorway. If you slow down on approach to the coned area, spot a gap, and merge - surely this is the most efficient way to do it?
I currently live in Germany, and it's the law to use the (literally translated) 'zip' technique. Pretty self explanatory: one from one lane, one from the other etc etc. Works perfectly over here, the only reason it wouldn't back home is because I can't see many people abiding by it. I have been told it's 'advisory' in the highway code, though must admit haven't checked.
Back to the British roads, if people in the 'queuing lane' weren't set on blocking the guys from the offside trying to get in and simply left space, surely the traffic flow would be a lot smoother...?
This very subject has been a cause for debate amongst my peers, and I've actually been on both sides of the fence. Not that long ago I too was one of the 'numpties' that sat in the offside lane crawling at the same speed as the nearside one as some sort of 'saviour' to all the other cars decently queueing.
However a freind then pointed out the obvious disadvantage to this, in that (as the above post says) over a two lane stretch you're effectively halving the available road, thus restricting traffic flow. This suddenly made sense, and caused me to see the error of my ways. I also understand the annoyance at getting people bolting down and forcing their way in - but my personal belief is the there is a correct way to do this: simply treat it as if you were merging or joining a motorway. If you slow down on approach to the coned area, spot a gap, and merge - surely this is the most efficient way to do it?
I currently live in Germany, and it's the law to use the (literally translated) 'zip' technique. Pretty self explanatory: one from one lane, one from the other etc etc. Works perfectly over here, the only reason it wouldn't back home is because I can't see many people abiding by it. I have been told it's 'advisory' in the highway code, though must admit haven't checked.
Back to the British roads, if people in the 'queuing lane' weren't set on blocking the guys from the offside trying to get in and simply left space, surely the traffic flow would be a lot smoother...?
Everyone in this thread advocating the start queueing 5 miles back approach should read this book: http://tinyurl.com/2z3d6r
I've had this- at Preston where there is a big sign saying 'use both lanes when queuing' (which appears about 800/600yrds before the lanes go from 2 to 1.) I try to use the right lane from the lights upto the roadworks- as everyone is stationary, but low and behold some t
t is in the middle of both lanes. I just went around him 
t is in the middle of both lanes. I just went around him Especially on the motorway, it's more a question of safety than traffic flow.
I'd say you're better immediately looking for a safe opportunity to move into the continuing lane(s) as soon as you know there is a closure ahead. Otherwise you're giving yourself less and less time to react to any situation occuring. Because the gaps are larger, less people need to adjust their position on the road to accommodate you and the less domino effect you get.
The closer you get to the lane closure, the smaller the gaps are and the more you have to rely on the goodwill or otherwise of cars in the adjacent lanes, and the more they have to adjust for you, slowing traffic behind.
Those people who get past the 600 yard marker and begin accelerating down towards the closure, in the lane about to end, aren't doing anybody any favours, including themselves.
You only have to look at the skid marks and debris surrounding the cones on a long term closure to see there's a high incidence of accidents on that part of the road.
I'd say you're better immediately looking for a safe opportunity to move into the continuing lane(s) as soon as you know there is a closure ahead. Otherwise you're giving yourself less and less time to react to any situation occuring. Because the gaps are larger, less people need to adjust their position on the road to accommodate you and the less domino effect you get.
The closer you get to the lane closure, the smaller the gaps are and the more you have to rely on the goodwill or otherwise of cars in the adjacent lanes, and the more they have to adjust for you, slowing traffic behind.
Those people who get past the 600 yard marker and begin accelerating down towards the closure, in the lane about to end, aren't doing anybody any favours, including themselves.
You only have to look at the skid marks and debris surrounding the cones on a long term closure to see there's a high incidence of accidents on that part of the road.
timskipper said:
Denis O said:
tts that continue in the right hand lane until they are forced to merge is what causes the hold ups and congestion.
You're the gesticulating fellow with the red face and sweaty palms and I claim my five pounds.ts that continue in the right hand lane until they are forced to merge is what causes the hold ups and congestion.Amazing how people remember what lane discipline is when confronted with one of Solihulls older specimens.
Interesting to read the phrase "force their way in" being used here. In fact people arriving (quite legitimately) at the choke point in the closing lane are being purposefully obstructed.
They don't go down that lane with the expectation of forcing their way in at the end, they expect to find people like me with the consideration to leave a space ahead for exactly one car for them to move into.
You can't force your way in to a space that's been left for you.
Now as far as failing to leave the required space AND then going up to a complete new level of tttery by attempting to have a collision with car you could otherwise let in AT NO PERSONAL EXPENSE, if ever there is a place for a CCTV camera it's to prosecute this kind of behaviour.
Honestly, "I have a rubbish car and I'll grind your metal with it". Someone with that attitude needs a three week ban in which to get a grip on life.
A series of signs saying "Merge in turn - CCTV monitoring" should sort out these people and get Britain moving just a little better.
SM
They don't go down that lane with the expectation of forcing their way in at the end, they expect to find people like me with the consideration to leave a space ahead for exactly one car for them to move into.
You can't force your way in to a space that's been left for you.
Now as far as failing to leave the required space AND then going up to a complete new level of t
ttery by attempting to have a collision with car you could otherwise let in AT NO PERSONAL EXPENSE, if ever there is a place for a CCTV camera it's to prosecute this kind of behaviour.Honestly, "I have a rubbish car and I'll grind your metal with it". Someone with that attitude needs a three week ban in which to get a grip on life.
A series of signs saying "Merge in turn - CCTV monitoring" should sort out these people and get Britain moving just a little better.
SM
Martin_Bpool said:
I've had this- at Preston where there is a big sign saying 'use both lanes when queuing' (which appears about 800/600yrds before the lanes go from 2 to 1.) I try to use the right lane from the lights upto the roadworks- as everyone is stationary, but low and behold some tt is in the middle of both lanes. I just went around him
Ah, but thats a special case.t is in the middle of both lanes. I just went around him - They are then using the RH lane as car storage. And additional 'buffer' before the restiction.
- Deliberatling making use of the stalled/stagnated area to buffer the cars and get them of the junction that is shorly before the lights.
Daniel
Yes the numptys seen the reduction to 1 lane and immediately all crowd sheep like to the outside lane leaving a lovely empty lane to the right.
Then iI the evil evil nasty man sees this empty lane and decides to use it.
Then about 200 yards before the reduction i try to get into the queue of sheep but they have been queuing for ages and it is there piece of road and they aren't giving it up if they gave it up they would be 1.356 seconds later at their destination so they won't let me in.
When i finally get in i will stop the traffic and let in as many folk as possible just to annoy those that have queued needlessly.
The basic problem is people are tooing impatient as i find this a very rare situation in scotland and very common down south i think there should be large signs saying "CHILL OUT MERGE IN TURN IT WON'T KILL YOU"
Then iI the evil evil nasty man sees this empty lane and decides to use it.
Then about 200 yards before the reduction i try to get into the queue of sheep but they have been queuing for ages and it is there piece of road and they aren't giving it up if they gave it up they would be 1.356 seconds later at their destination so they won't let me in.
When i finally get in i will stop the traffic and let in as many folk as possible just to annoy those that have queued needlessly.
The basic problem is people are too
ing impatient as i find this a very rare situation in scotland and very common down south i think there should be large signs saying "CHILL OUT MERGE IN TURN IT WON'T KILL YOU"Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff