Hospital parking.
Discussion
I think you will find it is contracted out in Hospitals...I got tickets twice while doing Community Care drives...despite a large CC card in the windscreen...wife has got two despite a Hospital Volunteer sticker on her windscreen.
Did we pay? Nope!
My best offer was a bed for the night in A+E to the punter with the uniform...to have the ticket extracted from his ****.
BOF.
Did we pay? Nope!
My best offer was a bed for the night in A+E to the punter with the uniform...to have the ticket extracted from his ****.
BOF.
As a rough and ready guide:
The LA, where parking has been decriminalised, are responsible for Car Parking that it backed up by statute law i.e. offence to park. They may however sub contract their responsibilities to a private firm. Defined appeals system.
Parking on private land (not roads) i.e. hospitals is not controlled by statute and subject to civil law of contract - you can park here for x pounds. You don't pay and they can take you to civil court to reclaim.
dvd
The LA, where parking has been decriminalised, are responsible for Car Parking that it backed up by statute law i.e. offence to park. They may however sub contract their responsibilities to a private firm. Defined appeals system.
Parking on private land (not roads) i.e. hospitals is not controlled by statute and subject to civil law of contract - you can park here for x pounds. You don't pay and they can take you to civil court to reclaim.
dvd
I suspect a lot of people dont pay when parking at the hospital. That would explain why we are seeing pay on foot car parks now with barriers rather than pay and display. Its not so bad when you're just an ocassional visitor but if you have to go severy day it gets expensive. I can certainly understand why the wardens that patrol these car parks tend to sneak around and hide a lot (I've seen them hiding when they see someone coming as I can imagine people can get quite irate)
Dwight VanDriver said:
As a rough and ready guide:
The LA, where parking has been decriminalised, are responsible for Car Parking that it backed up by statute law i.e. offence to park. They may however sub contract their responsibilities to a private firm. Defined appeals system.
Parking on private land (not roads) i.e. hospitals is not controlled by statute and subject to civil law of contract - you can park here for x pounds. You don't pay and they can take you to civil court to reclaim.
dvd
Pretty much. Most hospitals have now contracted parking out. Some are still reasonable with charges, others are vicious. Beware the ones built under PFI, which tend to especially unreasonable and heavily enforced. Swindon, for example, have contracted their parking and enforcement to the LA, who had drivers and would like you to use their horrid buses, even though the hospital is next to dual carriageway and M4. Hence it costs the best part of £20 to park there for the day, and the fines if you don't cooperate are massive.The LA, where parking has been decriminalised, are responsible for Car Parking that it backed up by statute law i.e. offence to park. They may however sub contract their responsibilities to a private firm. Defined appeals system.
Parking on private land (not roads) i.e. hospitals is not controlled by statute and subject to civil law of contract - you can park here for x pounds. You don't pay and they can take you to civil court to reclaim.
dvd
Contracted out and hospital staff have to buy permits to park as well 
Disabled -= free if you have a Blue Badge and the ferry service to the hospital door is also free of charge to disabled and those accompanying them.
Should it be free?
for patients and perhaps first 45 minutes of a visit to loved one recovering hospital. Why I would limit the free time?
Oh I suppose... ..so that other folk stand a chance of getting parked up. 
I agree that there are some nasty littly jobworthy cretin types prowling around the car parks though
Disabled -= free if you have a Blue Badge and the ferry service to the hospital door is also free of charge to disabled and those accompanying them.
Should it be free?
for patients and perhaps first 45 minutes of a visit to loved one recovering hospital. Why I would limit the free time? Oh I suppose...
..so that other folk stand a chance of getting parked up. I agree that there are some nasty littly jobworthy cretin types prowling around the car parks though
I have notice of a disturbing case concerning a lady who on hearing that her daughter had been rushed to hospital following a car accident naturally drove down there straight away. She parked, put money in the machine and then after staying with her daughter whilst she underwent tests that took far longer than expected, the mother went back to her car and found a PCN demanding £100.
Isn't it disgraceful that such traumatised people should become victims to the parasites? You may feel that nobody should have to pay for parking under such heart rending circumstances. The very least the hospital (in this case King's Mill at Sutton In Ashfield, Notts) could have done is to provide a system whereby parking is payable on exit rather than entry. How could the lady possibly have known how long she would have been there?
The goods news is that the lady did get her money back. The bad news is that four years later Kings Mill Hospital still operate a pay on entry system with it's related bullying back up.
What did they learn?
www.fair-parking.co.uk for protection
Isn't it disgraceful that such traumatised people should become victims to the parasites? You may feel that nobody should have to pay for parking under such heart rending circumstances. The very least the hospital (in this case King's Mill at Sutton In Ashfield, Notts) could have done is to provide a system whereby parking is payable on exit rather than entry. How could the lady possibly have known how long she would have been there?
The goods news is that the lady did get her money back. The bad news is that four years later Kings Mill Hospital still operate a pay on entry system with it's related bullying back up.
What did they learn?
www.fair-parking.co.uk for protection
Uncle W
There used to be police enforcement re parking on A ROAD that was controlled by a SI or TRO. Cases to Mags Court. Fine. Understand there are some areas this still applies.
Along came decrim under RTA 91 to those LA's that sought an Order which effectively removed enforcement from the hands of the Police to the LA's or persons subcontracted. The majority of the larger conerbations have this Order. No cases to Mags Court -defined appeal to Parking Adjudecator. Debt recovery through County Court.
PRIVATE land outside the scope of above - contract between person parking and owner of land. Damages through County Court action.
Essential to understand who issued ticket. Police, LA or on behalf of private concern.
dvd
There used to be police enforcement re parking on A ROAD that was controlled by a SI or TRO. Cases to Mags Court. Fine. Understand there are some areas this still applies.
Along came decrim under RTA 91 to those LA's that sought an Order which effectively removed enforcement from the hands of the Police to the LA's or persons subcontracted. The majority of the larger conerbations have this Order. No cases to Mags Court -defined appeal to Parking Adjudecator. Debt recovery through County Court.
PRIVATE land outside the scope of above - contract between person parking and owner of land. Damages through County Court action.
Essential to understand who issued ticket. Police, LA or on behalf of private concern.
dvd
Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Sunday 2nd December 16:26
Hiya Dwight
As you say, it's important to know just who issued the PCN. However under decriminalised parking section of the RTA 1991, even on street parking will be a civil matter and controlled by the local council if they make the appropriate application to the Secretary Of State. What was an offence in these circumstances becomes no more than a contravention.
If granted, the Council becomes it's own boss and as you say they can employ a private company if they so choose.
What has changed also is that this whole procedure bypasses the county court system and apart from the parking adjudicator there is no appeals procedure. It also means that the council cannot have the authority of a county court judgment to assist them. Thus the debt they assure the motorist that he owes them is no more than that covered by a dispute that cannot be resolved.
The only way the county court is involved is by the registration of this 'debt' by the Traffic Management Department at Northampton County Court. This is NOT a county court judgment and it will never go before a judge to become one.
However that doesn't stop lying and deceit from authorities who should know better. For instance Birmingham City Council issue a 'Notice To Owner' that contains the words 'we may issue a County Court Order against you'. No such thing exists and they know it.
Whether those reading this think that BCC is lying or just sloppy is up their own judgement. But a County Court Order is something that only a judge can decree.
see www.fair-parking.co.uk for more info
As you say, it's important to know just who issued the PCN. However under decriminalised parking section of the RTA 1991, even on street parking will be a civil matter and controlled by the local council if they make the appropriate application to the Secretary Of State. What was an offence in these circumstances becomes no more than a contravention.
If granted, the Council becomes it's own boss and as you say they can employ a private company if they so choose.
What has changed also is that this whole procedure bypasses the county court system and apart from the parking adjudicator there is no appeals procedure. It also means that the council cannot have the authority of a county court judgment to assist them. Thus the debt they assure the motorist that he owes them is no more than that covered by a dispute that cannot be resolved.
The only way the county court is involved is by the registration of this 'debt' by the Traffic Management Department at Northampton County Court. This is NOT a county court judgment and it will never go before a judge to become one.
However that doesn't stop lying and deceit from authorities who should know better. For instance Birmingham City Council issue a 'Notice To Owner' that contains the words 'we may issue a County Court Order against you'. No such thing exists and they know it.
Whether those reading this think that BCC is lying or just sloppy is up their own judgement. But a County Court Order is something that only a judge can decree.
see www.fair-parking.co.uk for more info
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