Strassenschaden 130

[Hammerwerfer]

I look at these signs with amusement. Where else in the world would the highway authorities apologise for the condition of the roads and the need to limit the speed to 130km/h? How many other places is 130 legal in the first place?

Sorry about the spelling, my monitor is giving up the ghost.

Edited by Hammerwerfer on Sunday 9th December 23:01

[flemke]

Hammerwerfer said:

I look at these signs with amusement. Where else in the world would the highway authorities apologise for the condition of the roads and the need to likmit the speed to 130km/h? How many other places is 130 legal in the first place?

Not nearly enough.

[dcb]

Hammerwerfer said:

How many other places is 130 legal in the first placre?

Lots of places.

Here is a list of Euro speed limits, in reverse order
of speed

Germany no limit
Italy 150 / 130
Austria 150 ? / 130
Croatia 130
Czech Rep 130
Lithuania 130
Russia 130
Slovak Rep 130
Slovenia 130
France 130/110
Belgium 120
Bulgaria 120
Finland 120
Greece 120
Hungary 120
Luxembourg 120
Macedonia 120
Netherlands 120
Portugal 120
Romania 120
Spain 120
Switzerland 120
Turkey 120
Eire 120
UK 112
Denmark 110
Poland 110
Sweden 110
Moldova 90
Norway 80-90

I note with interest that the UK is a back marker.

I also note with interest that countries vary in how strictly
they implement these limits.

Italy, for instance, appears to have no limits.

[Medic-one]

dcb said:

Germany no limit

Unfortunately you'll find that more and more motorways in Germany are going from "no limit buy advisory speed of 130 km/h" to "maximum speed = 130 km/h".

And if you go over the advisory speed (130 km/h) and are involved in an accident the insurance coverage is different to.


Medic-one, who used to lived 5 minutes from the German border, and luckily close to a motorway where there still was no maximum speed limit.

[tigger1]

dcb said:

Turkey 120

That may be the number on the pole...but away from towns / junctions there's little enforcement - and any radar traps are signed a little way before them. The speed limit appears to be "whatever you can screw out of it given how many people are hanging off it"

[Zod]

Medic-one said:

dcb said:

Germany no limit

Unfortunately you'll find that more and more motorways in Germany are going from "no limit buy advisory speed of 130 km/h" to "maximum speed = 130 km/h".

And if you go over the advisory speed (130 km/h) and are involved in an accident the insurance coverage is different to.


Medic-one, who used to lived 5 minutes from the German border, and luckily close to a motorway where there still was no maximum speed limit.

A few years ago there was a creeping spread of speed limits, but public outcry has stopped it.

As for the position with insurance, you have swallowed the propaganda of the greens and the insurance companies. If a German court would deem your speed to be not unreasonable in the circumstances, then you will have no problem. In Germany, it is considered absolutely reasonable to travel at 250 km/h on dry empty Autobahn when visibility is good. If you had a blowout and the car was damaged, you would most likely get your payout.

[111rdw]

Minor correction. It's also 130 in Denmark now. Changed about 2 years ago up from 110.

Dave

[900T-R]

Hammerwerfer said:

I look at these signs with amusement. Where else in the world would the highway authorities apologise for the condition of the roads and the need to limit the speed to 130km/h? How many other places is 130 legal in the first place?

More of a problem are the ones with '80' and 'Strassenschäden" - what are you supposed to do if you're flying along with 200+ at this point? Brake or let off the thottle which means you're still doing 140 or so at the end of the restriction? Since the motorways in the Eastern provinces were brought up to standard (and they weren't ever restricted to 80, 120 or 130 most of the time; coming from Salzburg/Munich to Berlin back in 1996, the part past Lepizig was so bad that everytime I stopped for a pee, I walked around the car to see if everything was still attached to it; at some point I moved to the right lane and found 80 km/h over there was even worse than keep on overtaking the whole sorry lot at 140 or so in the left lane - but anyway, I disgress ) I've never encountered road damage bad enough to warrant an 80 km/h limit by a stretch of the imagination in the first place.

Edited by 900T-R on Wednesday 12th December 15:39

[dcb]

Medic-one said:

Unfortunately you'll find that more and more motorways in Germany are going from "no limit buy advisory speed of 130 km/h" to "maximum speed = 130 km/h".

The ADAC [ German AA] has it that some 40% of the autobahn network
is limited.

Given that the network is *four* times the size of the UK notwork,
that's still a lot of unlimited free roads.

Medic-one said:

And if you go over the advisory speed (130 km/h) and are involved in an accident the insurance coverage is different to.

Free travelling speed isn't the same as impact speed.

If you are the kind of driver for which these two
speeds are the same, you don't IMHO have the right to
be on the road.

Free travelling speed might be a perfectly normal 200 kmh,
so it's not difficult to get it downto a slowish 150 kmh
or 100 kmh if needs be.

I've been tanking along at a perfectly ordinary 220 kmh
and stopped downto zero kmh before now without even
the ABS kicking in.

It's not difficult for a reasonably alert driver
to cope with high speeds.

[Medic-one]

dcb said:

Free travelling speed isn't the same as impact speed.

Unfortunately often it is.

I've done quiet a few really nasty RTA's at the Autobahn near my ambulance station back home, and with the speeds they travel there if something goes wrong, it goes really wrong.

And in most cases it wasn't even the fault of the "speeding" car, they were doing 150 - 160 km/h when some idiot doesn't use his mirrors and puls into the fast lane at the last moment, getting hit by the car who was just about to overtake them.

[AUDISELLER]

Medic-one said:

dcb said:

Free travelling speed isn't the same as impact speed.

Unfortunately often it is.

I've done quiet a few really nasty RTA's at the Autobahn near my ambulance station back home, and with the speeds they travel there if something goes wrong, it goes really wrong.

And in most cases it wasn't even the fault of the "speeding" car, they were doing 150 - 160 km/h when some idiot doesn't use his mirrors and puls into the fast lane at the last moment, getting hit by the car who was just about to overtake them.

"fast lane" is that something they have in Germany then?