How far can a confrontation go before it breaks the law?

[Bing o]

Just asking on behalf of a friend who is having early morning issues with a neighbour who enjoys DIY at 4am...

What can you legally say to someone before you start looking at assault, threatening behaviour etc?

[John57]

Would there be any witnesses ?

[Bing o]

John57 said:

Would there be any witnesses ?

Hard to say....

I am looking for a serious answer though (not that your's isn't )

[Le Petomane]

Bing o said:

What can you legally say to someone before you start looking at assault, threatening behaviour etc?

Wouldn't bother, it's unlikely the DIYer doesn't already know he's being a twunt. Call the council, your (friend's) local Environmental Health office will take a dim view of it.

[Slowly slowly]

Bing o said:

John57 said:

Would there be any witnesses ?

Hard to say....

I am looking for a serious answer though (not that your's isn't )

Don't forget if your mate has an official fall out he will have to mention it when he sells the house, perhaps it's better to buy the guy a pint, ask him if he want s lift to get the job done quicker, then key his car in 3 months time.
Or just key his car everytime he makes a noise, he'll get the message eventually.

[streaky]

I wouldn't argue with a DIYer ... he might have:

• a nail-gun
• a hammer
• a carpet knife
• a piece of lead pipe

Streaky

[japhilip]

Is it fair to presume the neighbour is of sound mind? I don't mean that DIY at 4am means he's crazy or anything else, but he/she may be elderly or (and) suffering some sort of mental illness (dementia or some such).

If he's just being an idiot, contact the local council, it's something they should deal with, just like if he'd got a noisy stereo. Perhaps anyway.

[7db]

streaky said:

I wouldn't argue with a DIYer ... he might have:

• a nail-gun
• a hammer
• a carpet knife
• a piece of lead pipe

Streaky

Oh - that sort of DIY. I thought the OP was implying that his wife was away...

[Wacky Racer]

streaky said:

I wouldn't argue with a DIYer ... he might have:

• a nail-gun
• a hammer
• a carpet knife
• a piece of lead pipe

Streaky

Or even a chain saw......

[Bing o]

japhilip said:

Is it fair to presume the neighbour is of sound mind? I don't mean that DIY at 4am means he's crazy or anything else, but he/she may be elderly or (and) suffering some sort of mental illness (dementia or some such).

If he's just being an idiot, contact the local council, it's something they should deal with, just like if he'd got a noisy stereo. Perhaps anyway.

40ish, reckons he's a pilot in Ireland...

He's broken the lease, I just want to know what I can and can't say to him next time he wakes me up at 4 in the morning without plod getting excited (he's already threatened to call plod on me for calling him a wr.





I mean my friend....

[mph999]

Bing o said:

Just asking on behalf of a friend who is having early morning issues with a neighbour who enjoys DIY at 4am...

What can you legally say to someone before you start looking at assault, threatening behaviour etc?

In answer to the question - if you said something that led to someone fearing for his/her safety, then that is assult. Quite how it would be proved is another matter.

Martin

[Wings]

DIY at 4 am in the morning would be considered by any reasonable person to be unreasonable behaviour, so I would not fear the DIYer calling Mr. Plod.

[Bing o]

Well, the bloke upstairs (property ladder wannabe) was quiet last night.

However, I've found out that he's contravened our lease by laying down laminate flooring, so I will be getting his lease taken away from him very shortly, hopefully at ruinous financial cost to the arsehole.

(Though I'd prefer a hammer to the temple,this will save me the worry of how to get rid of the body....)

[fatboy b]

Bing o said:

Well, the bloke upstairs (property ladder wannabe) was quiet last night.

However, I've found out that he's contravened our lease by laying down laminate flooring, so I will be getting his lease taken away from him very shortly, hopefully at ruinous financial cost to the arsehole.

(Though I'd prefer a hammer to the temple,this will save me the worry of how to get rid of the body....)

It does amaze me that these twunts just do things that the lease says you can't do - for the peace of the neighbours etc. I'd class the laminate flooring thing as passive agression.

[Bing o]

fatboy b said:

Bing o said:

Well, the bloke upstairs (property ladder wannabe) was quiet last night.

However, I've found out that he's contravened our lease by laying down laminate flooring, so I will be getting his lease taken away from him very shortly, hopefully at ruinous financial cost to the arsehole.

(Though I'd prefer a hammer to the temple,this will save me the worry of how to get rid of the body....)

It does amaze me that these twunts just do things that the lease says you can't do - for the peace of the neighbours etc. I'd class the laminate flooring thing as passive agression.

He also knocked down a structural wall between the Kitchen and the living room, and had to put that back up.

To be honest, I've just about had enough of rude, selfish and inconsiderate wrs - queue Michael Douglas Falling Down frenzy, coming to a block of flats near the pier soon...

[hairydave-hd vti]

Slowly slowly said:

Bing o said:

John57 said:

Would there be any witnesses ?

Hard to say....

I am looking for a serious answer though (not that your's isn't )

Don't forget if your mate has an official fall out he will have to mention it when he sells the house, perhaps it's better to buy the guy a pint, ask him if he want s lift to get the job done quicker, then key his car in 3 months time.
Or just key his car everytime he makes a noise, he'll get the message eventually.

Not being funny, but kick his teeth in, call his wife a whore, launch fire works at his house or set your dog on his kids, but never, ever key another man's car...

[Bing o]

hairydave-hd vti said:

Slowly slowly said:

Bing o said:

John57 said:

Would there be any witnesses ?

Hard to say....

I am looking for a serious answer though (not that your's isn't )

Don't forget if your mate has an official fall out he will have to mention it when he sells the house, perhaps it's better to buy the guy a pint, ask him if he want s lift to get the job done quicker, then key his car in 3 months time.
Or just key his car everytime he makes a noise, he'll get the message eventually.

Not being funny, but kick his teeth in, call his wife a whore, launch fire works at his house or set your dog on his kids, but never, ever key another man's car...

Given that my car is worth about 20 times what his builder's van is, why would I do a silly thing like that...?

[wrinx]

Bing o said:

japhilip said:

Is it fair to presume the neighbour is of sound mind? I don't mean that DIY at 4am means he's crazy or anything else, but he/she may be elderly or (and) suffering some sort of mental illness (dementia or some such).

If he's just being an idiot, contact the local council, it's something they should deal with, just like if he'd got a noisy stereo. Perhaps anyway.

He's broken the lease, I just want to know what I can and can't say to him next time he wakes me up at 4 in the morning without plod getting excited (he's already threatened to call plod on me for calling him a wr.

Why do you need to call him anything? You need to be squeaky clean, keep a diary of his nocturnal DIY activities and if possible record them as well.

Report to the council who may install a recorder and then prosecute him...all at no (legal) risk to yourself.

Not worth winding him up by throwing abuse imho.

wrinx