Scamera partnership ignorance - increased road deaths in 07

[funkyrobot]

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So, tragically deaths were on the up last year on Lincolnshire's roads.

But, according to Lincs Road Safety Pratnership's pr man, its ok because ksi collisions haven't increased. And they are well on the way to reaching their ten year target. Also, finally, speed is of course the main reason these accidents are happening!!

What f***king planet is this moron on. Do they not get it?? More people died on the roads in 2007 in Lincolnshire than the last 3-4 years. Yes there has been a steady decline in deaths since 2003 but it isn't brilliant, we are talking about 3 deaths or so a year difference.

Doesn't this fool understand that deaths have increased, therefore his stupid pratnership's policies and actions are flawed and not working at all! Why does he keep harping on about 'education' when all they do is stick a red sign on dangerous routes and plonk speed cameras and camera vans everywhere? How the hell is this education?

It makes me more mad when I read about a new scheme they are running this year. This will no doubt have very tacky pictures of youngsters slumped in mangled cars with copious amounts of tomato sauce smeared all over their faces. Underneath the pics it will say something like 'don't speed home in your shatso with your new little lady beside you because if you do Mr Heinz will jump out of the hedge and spray tomato soup/sauce all over you, and you will be DEAD!!'

Do they never ever learn, its more about the driving style according to the road conditions than just plain old speed. Just this week I saw 3 rear-end shunts on the same stretch of road in my local town. Why don't they campaign for people to leave more space infront etc etc.

Sorry about this long-winded and slightly foul-mouthed rant but I seriously feel like sending a large email to this plonker. Their obsession with speed as the only cause of death on the roads is seriously getting on my wick now. Also, the way he seems more concerned about meeting targets than actual road safety is very very disturbing!




..... And relax, phew!!

[herewego]

funkyrobot said:

Do they never ever learn, its more about the driving style according to the road conditions than just plain old speed. Just this week I saw 3 rear-end shunts on the same stretch of road in my local town. Why don't they campaign for people to leave more space infront etc etc.

I think that's something you could suggest to them.

[grumbledoak]

Dude, their obsession is with revenue, not speed. An email isn't going to help.

Hope the rant was cathartic...

[herewego]

grumbledoak said:

Dude, their obsession is with revenue, not speed. An email isn't going to help.

Hope the rant was cathartic...

Road Safety partnerships get a government grant now, they no longer get the speeding fines. There objective seems to be reducing the ksi figures. They may appreciate suggestions such as a 2 second campaign. At least they'd know somebody cared. It probably wouldn't be useful to email a pro-speeding rant though.

[vonhosen]

herewego said:

grumbledoak said:

Dude, their obsession is with revenue, not speed. An email isn't going to help.

Hope the rant was cathartic...

Road Safety partnerships get a government grant now, they no longer get the speeding fines. There objective seems to be reducing the ksi figures. They may appreciate suggestions such as a 2 second campaign. At least they'd know somebody cared. It probably wouldn't be useful to email a pro-speeding rant though.

People won't leave a 2 second gap, because someone else will overtake into it.

[herewego]

vonhosen said:

herewego said:

grumbledoak said:

Dude, their obsession is with revenue, not speed. An email isn't going to help.

Hope the rant was cathartic...

Road Safety partnerships get a government grant now, they no longer get the speeding fines. There objective seems to be reducing the ksi figures. They may appreciate suggestions such as a 2 second campaign. At least they'd know somebody cared. It probably wouldn't be useful to email a pro-speeding rant though.

People won't leave a 2 second gap, because someone else will overtake into it.

Well then how about a don't overtake into someone elses 2 second gap campaign.

[fluffnik]

Jail them for manslaughter.

[Jasandjules]

herewego said:

Road Safety partnerships get a government grant now, they no longer get the speeding fines. There objective seems to be reducing the ksi figures. They may appreciate suggestions such as a 2 second campaign. At least they'd know somebody cared. It probably wouldn't be useful to email a pro-speeding rant though.

However, the bottom line is without "Speed kills" and cameras these SCPs would not exist, so they can only say Speed Kills as otherwise there is no point having them.. Not that there truly is any reason to have them, apart from p****ng off motorists and giving people too stupid to be traffic wardens a job.

[streaky]

We call them scamera pratnerships for a reason! - Streaky

[herewego]

Jasandjules said:

herewego said:

Road Safety partnerships get a government grant now, they no longer get the speeding fines. There objective seems to be reducing the ksi figures. They may appreciate suggestions such as a 2 second campaign. At least they'd know somebody cared. It probably wouldn't be useful to email a pro-speeding rant though.

However, the bottom line is without "Speed kills" and cameras these SCPs would not exist, so they can only say Speed Kills as otherwise there is no point having them.. Not that there truly is any reason to have them, apart from p****ng off motorists and giving people too stupid to be traffic wardens a job.

They've built their empires on speed camera income. Now they have the flexibility to target other issues. If they still focus on speed then they probably think that is where the best chance of improvement lies.

[Alicat]

The argument that enforcing speed limits will have a significant effect on road safety is just like the Emperors' new clothes!!! The Governments own statistics prove this, see 'Road Casualties in Great Britain 2006", published by the Department of Transport. The report states that speed is not the greatest contributory factor in accidents:

The contributory factor category driver/rider error or reaction was the most frequently reported category, involved in 67 per cent of all accidents. It was also the most frequently reported type for each severity of accident

Exceeding the speed limit was classed as a 'Injudicious action'. Injudicious actions were a contributory factor in 27% of all accidents, and when analysed in detail exceeding the speed limit was contributory factor in a only 5% of accidents.

The zealous enforcement of speed limits will not have any measurable affect on KSI's if measured correctly, and to admit this would involve a major climb down, as well as a loss of revenue for the government.

Alicat

[grumbledoak]

herewego said:

They've built their empires on speed camera income. Now they have the flexibility to target other issues. If they still focus on speed then they probably think that is where the best chance of improvement lies.

Go on, admit it. You work for them, don't you.

[herewego]

Alicat said:

The argument that enforcing speed limits will have a significant effect on road safety is just like the Emperors' new clothes!!! The Governments own statistics prove this, see 'Road Casualties in Great Britain 2006", published by the Department of Transport. The report states that speed is not the greatest contributory factor in accidents:

The contributory factor category driver/rider error or reaction was the most frequently reported category, involved in 67 per cent of all accidents. It was also the most frequently reported type for each severity of accident

Exceeding the speed limit was classed as a 'Injudicious action'. Injudicious actions were a contributory factor in 27% of all accidents, and when analysed in detail exceeding the speed limit was contributory factor in a only 5% of accidents.

The zealous enforcement of speed limits will not have any measurable affect on KSI's if measured correctly, and to admit this would involve a major climb down, as well as a loss of revenue for the government.

Alicat

Since they are no longer tied to speeding income, they are free to explore all the other causes of accidents and target them for ksi improvement. Let's see what they do. You can make suggestions if you like.

[esselte]

herewego said:

Alicat said:

The argument that enforcing speed limits will have a significant effect on road safety is just like the Emperors' new clothes!!! The Governments own statistics prove this, see 'Road Casualties in Great Britain 2006", published by the Department of Transport. The report states that speed is not the greatest contributory factor in accidents:

The contributory factor category driver/rider error or reaction was the most frequently reported category, involved in 67 per cent of all accidents. It was also the most frequently reported type for each severity of accident

Exceeding the speed limit was classed as a 'Injudicious action'. Injudicious actions were a contributory factor in 27% of all accidents, and when analysed in detail exceeding the speed limit was contributory factor in a only 5% of accidents.

The zealous enforcement of speed limits will not have any measurable affect on KSI's if measured correctly, and to admit this would involve a major climb down, as well as a loss of revenue for the government.

Alicat

Since they are no longer tied to speeding income, they are free to explore all the other causes of accidents and target them for ksi improvement. Let's see what they do. You can make suggestions if you like.

Have the operators been given more powers than just "point and click"?

[herewego]

esselte said:

herewego said:

Alicat said:

The argument that enforcing speed limits will have a significant effect on road safety is just like the Emperors' new clothes!!! The Governments own statistics prove this, see 'Road Casualties in Great Britain 2006", published by the Department of Transport. The report states that speed is not the greatest contributory factor in accidents:

The contributory factor category driver/rider error or reaction was the most frequently reported category, involved in 67 per cent of all accidents. It was also the most frequently reported type for each severity of accident

Exceeding the speed limit was classed as a 'Injudicious action'. Injudicious actions were a contributory factor in 27% of all accidents, and when analysed in detail exceeding the speed limit was contributory factor in a only 5% of accidents.

The zealous enforcement of speed limits will not have any measurable affect on KSI's if measured correctly, and to admit this would involve a major climb down, as well as a loss of revenue for the government.

Alicat

Since they are no longer tied to speeding income, they are free to explore all the other causes of accidents and target them for ksi improvement. Let's see what they do. You can make suggestions if you like.

Have the operators been given more powers than just "point and click"?

I have no idea what they've been given but the OP refered to a report that did not focus on speed but said:
"He said Lincolnshire was well on course to meet its 10 year Government target of reducing KSIs by 40 per cent by 2010 and said the Partnership was committed to continuing its efforts to improve road safety through education and training.

This included plans to launch a new campaign in February called Too Fast Too Soon aimed at drivers aged between 17 and 24 who are seen as a high risk group."

[Jasandjules]

herewego said:

Since they are no longer tied to speeding income, they are free to explore all the other causes of accidents and target them for ksi improvement. Let's see what they do. You can make suggestions if you like.

Indeed, I noted there was talk of a new speed camera locally to me, so I e-mailed these morons and said what they actually need to do is cut the hedges at the side of the road so people can see out of the junction, that may stop people getting creamed. Guess what, they said the hedgerows are nothing to do with them and they use a mobile speed trap now and again... How helpful.. Bet you can't guess if there are still accidents at this juncture......

[herewego]

Jasandjules said:

herewego said:

Since they are no longer tied to speeding income, they are free to explore all the other causes of accidents and target them for ksi improvement. Let's see what they do. You can make suggestions if you like.

Indeed, I noted there was talk of a new speed camera locally to me, so I e-mailed these morons and said what they actually need to do is cut the hedges at the side of the road so people can see out of the junction, that may stop people getting creamed. Guess what, they said the hedgerows are nothing to do with them and they use a mobile speed trap now and again... How helpful.. Bet you can't guess if there are still accidents at this juncture......

You might have contacted the wrong people. I have successfully asked the LA to get hedges cut back for road safety. More than once in fact for the same hedge.

[Bing o]

vonhosen said:

People won't leave a 2 second gap, because someone else will overtake into it.

Possibly.

The most.

Stupidest thing you have ever posted.

Are you really a highly trained police driver, or a 14 year old with a law book?

[vonhosen]

Bing o said:

vonhosen said:

People won't leave a 2 second gap, because someone else will overtake into it.

Possibly.

The most.

Stupidest thing you have ever posted.

Are you really a highly trained police driver, or a 14 year old with a law book?

It's the reality of what we see everyday on our congested roads, surely you are not contending it ?

[Richard C]

vonhosen said:

Bing o said:

vonhosen said:

People won't leave a 2 second gap, because someone else will overtake into it.

Possibly.

The most.

Stupidest thing you have ever posted.

Are you really a highly trained police driver, or a 14 year old with a law book?

It's the reality of what we see everyday on our congested roads, surely you are not contending it ?

To support his posistion, I think VH has to believe that the vast majority if not all drivers are stupid morons or dangerous maniacs who are incapable of benefitting from education, and more responsibility. Therefore only lower limits and strct adherence to any law or regulation is appropriate.