Trafpol driving whilst on their mobile
Trafpol driving whilst on their mobile
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thekirbyfake

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6,232 posts

266 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Is there an excemption which allows police drivers to use their mobiles (i.e. holding to their ear) whilst driving on public roads?

FiveStar

760 posts

235 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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I thought that police were exempt from all laws?

tigger1

8,482 posts

252 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Sure it wasn't a radio?

Triple7

4,015 posts

268 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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I don't think so or they would all be very rich bank robbers!


Spokey

2,246 posts

240 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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thekirbyfake said:
Is there an excemption which allows police drivers to use their mobiles (i.e. holding to their ear) whilst driving on public roads?
Some people are more equal than others.

PottyMouth

470 posts

227 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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There's an exemption for anyone to do it in an emergency.

thekirbyfake

Original Poster:

6,232 posts

266 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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It was definitely a mobile and, whilst I can't say for certain that it wasn't an emergency, both the driver and passenger seemed to be merrily laughing along.

He was turning (one handed) into the Thames Valley Training Centre in Sulhamstead as I passed him.

For those that don't know it the roads in the area have little traffic but are very narrow with high hedges providing poor visibility.

Just wasn't sure if they had the same sort of of exemption which applies to speeding?

Festisio

772 posts

235 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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thekirbyfake said:
It was definitely a mobile and, whilst I can't say for certain that it wasn't an emergency, both the driver and passenger seemed to be merrily laughing along.

He was turning (one handed) into the Thames Valley Training Centre in Sulhamstead as I passed him.

For those that don't know it the roads in the area have little traffic but are very narrow with high hedges providing poor visibility.

Just wasn't sure if they had the same sort of of exemption which applies to speeding?
Well he won't ever get tugged by a colleague for it so for all intents and puposes they are exempt.

EU_Foreigner

2,838 posts

257 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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We won't know until there is an accident with one of them using it.

Stefluc

274 posts

240 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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What have you done about it to date,nothing i suppose except to come on here and have a slagging match about the police again. If you report it then it will get investigated and you will find out the outcome, and no you wont get victimised or targeted, but i suppose thats just a reason for not reporting and just starting a police bashing session off.
If the enquiry doesnt go the way you think or feel it should then by al means start a one rule for them and one for us bashing thread,i might sound harsh but guess what i am pissed off with people who havent go the balls to confront the people who they criticise after all there is very little chance of them getting beat up, as opposed to a member of public.
Try reporting it you might find that it does in fact go somewhere,internally as i suppose now it would be outside the 14 days for an NIP to be served on the CC, there you go theres your excuse to bash us,outside of the 14 days so cant do anything court wise.
I will stand back now and wait for the fall out to begin and all the other bashing and slagging that happens with threads like this.
Stefluc

John57

1,870 posts

259 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Festisio said:
thekirbyfake said:
It was definitely a mobile and, whilst I can't say for certain that it wasn't an emergency, both the driver and passenger seemed to be merrily laughing along.

He was turning (one handed) into the Thames Valley Training Centre in Sulhamstead as I passed him.

For those that don't know it the roads in the area have little traffic but are very narrow with high hedges providing poor visibility.

Just wasn't sure if they had the same sort of of exemption which applies to speeding?
Well he won't ever get tugged by a colleague for it so for all intents and puposes they are exempt.
He would get tugged by colleagues - I certainly wouldn't have it ... and to show it does get dealt with one of the guys I work with recently gave a ticket to a Chief Inspector who thought it was OK to use the phone in traffic.

SS2.

14,712 posts

269 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Stefluc said:
Try reporting it you might find that it does in fact go somewhere,internally as i suppose now it would be outside the 14 days for an NIP to be served on the CC, there you go theres your excuse to bash us,outside of the 14 days so cant do anything court wise.
Just an observation, but the offence of using a mobile phone whilst driving does not require a NoIP to be served on the accused..wink

Edited by SS2. on Thursday 10th January 12:56

Stefluc

274 posts

240 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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I know that but from the description of the driving it is at least the basic sec 3 therfore would need one to progress it along with a sec 172 if it was to go to court.

But for internal proceedings it only needs a letter to complaints department but they will need to do it properly from the outset unless the complainant expresses his desire's in the letter.
Stefluc

EU_Foreigner

2,838 posts

257 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Another observation is that in the case of evidence of MOP versus police, MOP evidence is always discarded (as we know from the speeding trials). What would be achieved? Your word versus theirs, you lose.

Roop

6,018 posts

315 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Many of the new TETRA 2-way radios closely resemble mobile phones and have the earpiece / speaker and mic in the same place as a phone. In this light he may well have been using a 2-way but you thought it was a phone...?

Probably was a phone though...

Medic-one

3,143 posts

234 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Roop said:
Many of the new TETRA 2-way radios closely resemble mobile phones and have the earpiece / speaker and mic in the same place as a phone. In this light he may well have been using a 2-way but you thought it was a phone...?
We use the same digital radio's as the police (Sepura SRP3000) and besides the normal radio functions they also have a "mobile phone" option, where you can dial any number and use it exactually as you would use a mobile phone.


Tootler

89 posts

271 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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I know of a case of a police officer being reported by a member of the public for using his mobile phone while driving a police vehicle, and the officer was prosecuted.

SS2.

14,712 posts

269 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Stefluc said:
I know that but from the description of the driving it is at least the basic sec 3 therfore would need one to progress it along with a sec 172 if it was to go to court.
But the 'description' posted was nothing other than the driver was 'turning one handed'..

Assuming there was an accusation of use of a mobile when performing this manoeuvre, would this really qualify for a s.3 RTA (careless & inconsiderate) charge, as opposed to a construction and use breach (s.41D RTA) ?



thekirbyfake

Original Poster:

6,232 posts

266 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Stefluc said:
Aggressively defensive
I certainly haven't had a go at the police. As it happens I think the British Trafpol are some of the best in the world. I would like to see far more of them on the roads to police the poor driving which the speed cameras cannot detect.

My question re. exemptions was a genuine and not a leading one to try and stir up trouble. I'm not going to report them any more than I would report and ordinary member of the public.

I would go as far to say that your average Trafpol is far better skilled at being able to multitask whilst driving than your average road user.

Medic-one said:
We use the same digital radio's as the police (Sepura SRP3000) and besides the normal radio functions they also have a "mobile phone" option
It could well have been.

However surely the physical act of operating them like a mobile phone is the same as a mobile phone itself?

Edited by thekirbyfake on Thursday 10th January 14:10

John57

1,870 posts

259 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Medic-one said:
Roop said:
Many of the new TETRA 2-way radios closely resemble mobile phones and have the earpiece / speaker and mic in the same place as a phone. In this light he may well have been using a 2-way but you thought it was a phone...?
We use the same digital radio's as the police (Sepura SRP3000) and besides the normal radio functions they also have a "mobile phone" option, where you can dial any number and use it exactually as you would use a mobile phone.

The ones used by the Met are Motorola ... and look even more like a mobile phone