I'm not anti police, but.......
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.......did anyone else watch that "Motorway Cops Special" thing on BBC1 last night.
(Apologies if this has already been posted)
Right from the off, "PC Adam" was a complete c0ck. At the start of the prgramme, he gave it the big "I am" saying things like "if you break the law, we're gonna getcher" and then went on to say how much of a buzz he got from doing 120 or 130 along a busy motorway.
But the clincher was the stop of the kid in the Civic, albeit it was "Adam's" partner who started it. The car was displaying wrong plates, which turned out to be not the driver's fault and for which he had a rectification notice with 7 of 14 days still valid on it. He had also (wrongly) been accused of driving away from a filling station without paying. They roughed him out of the car very smartly, swore at him, then when he kicked back (metaphorically, and who amongst us wouldn't have under the circumstances) they got EXTREMELY sarcastic with him and generally treated him like sh1t until they virtually forced him back out of their car without giving him the option to say his piece.
Not a good advert for the police, not a good message to be sending younger drivers, andf I can't really believe that anyone senior either sanctioned the broadcast, or failed to take action against the officers.
I'll add that some of my closest friends are in the police force, one on traffic - to emphasise that I'm not making an anti or biased comment, but I found their attitude despicable.
(Apologies if this has already been posted)
Right from the off, "PC Adam" was a complete c0ck. At the start of the prgramme, he gave it the big "I am" saying things like "if you break the law, we're gonna getcher" and then went on to say how much of a buzz he got from doing 120 or 130 along a busy motorway.
But the clincher was the stop of the kid in the Civic, albeit it was "Adam's" partner who started it. The car was displaying wrong plates, which turned out to be not the driver's fault and for which he had a rectification notice with 7 of 14 days still valid on it. He had also (wrongly) been accused of driving away from a filling station without paying. They roughed him out of the car very smartly, swore at him, then when he kicked back (metaphorically, and who amongst us wouldn't have under the circumstances) they got EXTREMELY sarcastic with him and generally treated him like sh1t until they virtually forced him back out of their car without giving him the option to say his piece.
Not a good advert for the police, not a good message to be sending younger drivers, andf I can't really believe that anyone senior either sanctioned the broadcast, or failed to take action against the officers.
I'll add that some of my closest friends are in the police force, one on traffic - to emphasise that I'm not making an anti or biased comment, but I found their attitude despicable.
People behave differently when a camera is on them. It's their chance to be someone.
Some PCs are frightened to show themselves as a bit 'soft' and such, aiming to present an image of a tough, macho, hairy-arsed caracature of what they really are. It takes a really good actor to appear normal on TV. Also, a lot of editing goes on which does distort things. Either intentionally or unintentionally.
I met a Thames Valley chap who had been villified on TV after he had 'brutalised' a rape victim. He was adament that what we saw as aggresive was in reality a reaction to something which had been edited out. Whether this is true or not (he couldn't say anything else, could he) it is a possibility. Mind you, he was instrumental in a much better system being implemented for dealing with victims of rape and other sexual offences.
Some PCs are frightened to show themselves as a bit 'soft' and such, aiming to present an image of a tough, macho, hairy-arsed caracature of what they really are. It takes a really good actor to appear normal on TV. Also, a lot of editing goes on which does distort things. Either intentionally or unintentionally.
I met a Thames Valley chap who had been villified on TV after he had 'brutalised' a rape victim. He was adament that what we saw as aggresive was in reality a reaction to something which had been edited out. Whether this is true or not (he couldn't say anything else, could he) it is a possibility. Mind you, he was instrumental in a much better system being implemented for dealing with victims of rape and other sexual offences.
cant believe you didnt mention the romanian guy and the way he was talking to the police woman, never mind he was driving without a licence, or insurance in a car where his family where all not wearing seatbelts.
racism PC crap all gone wrong.
now us natives get all the crap and anyone who wants to jump on the UK bandwagon can do so and do whatever they like as the system is for them and against us.
racism PC crap all gone wrong.
now us natives get all the crap and anyone who wants to jump on the UK bandwagon can do so and do whatever they like as the system is for them and against us.
It's difficult to judge BiBs on TV due to the way the programs are edited, you can guarantee anything that makes them look stupid will make the final cut as it's good TV. If I were a police chief I would ask for volunteers for the program and then disregard all those who volunteer as it does tend to bring out the ego maniacs. Anyone with half a brain runs for cover when the cameras are about, you rarely come out looking good.
The guy in the civic was a stroker, he new about the plates yet continued to drive. He was given the benefit of the doubt by a previous BiB with a VDRS, yet he abused it. A VDRS does not give you 14 days of impunity.
The guy in the civic was a stroker, he new about the plates yet continued to drive. He was given the benefit of the doubt by a previous BiB with a VDRS, yet he abused it. A VDRS does not give you 14 days of impunity.
Sheriff JWPepper said:
A VDRS does not give you 14 days of impunity.
not saying the lad wasn't a lob on, or sticking up for him but if your 18 and you get 14 days to do somthing, i doubt it will be done before the 10th day.mabe it should be a 3 day thing then there would be less confusion.
you cant have it both ways, BiB tells you 14 days, then 7 days later your done for the same thing?
people who live in glass houses springs to mind (as in you cant have it both ways, the BiB in question should have been complaining to their supervisor or whoever dishes out the stars)
Edited by DucatiGary on Tuesday 15th January 23:00
DucatiGary said:
Sheriff JWPepper said:
A VDRS does not give you 14 days of impunity.
not saying the lad wasn't a lob on, or sticking up for him but if your 18 and you get 14 days to do somthing, i doubt it will be done before the 10th day.mabe it should be a 3 day thing then there would be less confusion.
you cant have it both ways, BiB tells you 14 days, then 7 days later your done for the same thing?
people who live in glass houses springs to mind.
If you are stopped at any time after being issued with the VDRS that is a separate offence & you can be reported for that incidence. The VDRS is not a 14 day 'get out of jail free card'.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 15th January 23:04
t, not the young lad.vonhosen said:
If you get a VDRS you are in effect being reported for the offence. If you get it fixed & return the form certifying that within 14 days, the summons will not be applied for in relation to that one incidence of offending.
If you are stopped at any time after being issued with the VDRS that is a separate offence & you can be reported for that incidence. The VDRS is not a 14 day 'get out of jail free card'.
So one could get a VDRS from one BiB and get stopped again by another BiB half an hour later in another town and reported again. It's also a Sunday and all the repair garages are shut. So what is one meant to do? Abandon the car and walk home? And how would one then be able to drive the car to a garage to get it repaired on Monday without offending again?If you are stopped at any time after being issued with the VDRS that is a separate offence & you can be reported for that incidence. The VDRS is not a 14 day 'get out of jail free card'.
Catch 22 springs to mind.....
Mattt said:
Red Devil said:
And how would one then be able to drive the car to a garage to get it repaired on Monday without offending again?
Presumably similar to the MOT in that the vehicle may be driven solely for the purpose of getting the defects rectified?DucatiGary said:
sounds like added complication to me.
3 days, if its not done by then your off the road.
wonder how many of these go without the second pull ?
I go months betweens seeing police cars at all round here.
The issue you've got is that some VDRSs are going to much more complicated and require specific parts. 3 days, if its not done by then your off the road.
wonder how many of these go without the second pull ?
I go months betweens seeing police cars at all round here.
Red Devil said:
Mattt said:
Red Devil said:
And how would one then be able to drive the car to a garage to get it repaired on Monday without offending again?
Presumably similar to the MOT in that the vehicle may be driven solely for the purpose of getting the defects rectified?
I've got 14 days you can't do anything" expect to be reported for it. Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 16th January 06:48
Derek Smith said:
People behave differently when a camera is on them. It's their chance to be someone.
But surely they live with the camera in the car for months as the idiots do not surely offend for the camera und the programme So they perhaps should be used to cam und be behaving fairly normally.
after all that time.After all. it not as if we are seeing them that often on any road..
Lad was silly.
I thought the police were supposed to explain in word of one syllable to spotty yooof what the small print means ..
und if that the case .. then yoof in question has the teenage sieve like memory.. 
deevlash said:
I saw this too, the kid was obviously a bit of a tit, but the copper didnt know that at the time and seemed to take far too much glee in saying "get out of the car before I drag you out!" It then turned out that he didnt have the full facts before he went storming in either.
The facts that they were aware of at the time were that the car had been involved in a drive off, having failed to pay for fuel. When spotted it was confirmed that the car was on incorrect plates. That would certainly raise the stakes in my mind - I'd be thinking that this car had possibly been stolen, possibly involved in crime. When stopped I'd be getting the keys and controlling the situation until I established what had gone on.I wonder why the forecourt staff subsequently decided to report the lad’s civil fuel debt as a crime? Perhaps I missed the reason for that, because in truth I was cringing about the way PC Adam lost the plot. A decent explanation about VDRS would have helped, but he seemed incapable of providing that.
I think they had to find a mechanism to bring their adrenaline down from the job they thought they had (stolen vehicle, pursuit, robbery etc. etc) ,to the job they were left dealing with (incorrect number plate). That disappointment may have been heightened by the fact that they were on TV.
But I tend to agree with the Sheriff. If you get volunteers to appear on TV, don’t pick them!
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