61 in a 50
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michaelrmcdowell

Original Poster:

73 posts

276 months

Wednesday 16th July 2003
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Just a quick question...
61 in a 50 = 3 points and £60. My first offence (in 10 yrs driving), is this worth contesting or should I just pay and take the points and pays my money?

Michael McD.

Ps cause I make a point of never breaking the speed limit in urban areas, etc. I'm a little upset that this has happened on an empty (but unfamiliar) dual carridgway.

huge_ego

3,824 posts

291 months

Wednesday 16th July 2003
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Hi Michael - On what basis would you contest it?

zorro

4,633 posts

302 months

Wednesday 16th July 2003
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Hey MM

Well the utopian view is to to fight tooth and nail..'if everyone did this the courts would be...bla bla bla'

Personally I would just take the hit as it's only 3 points. If you were on 9 already you might be looking at 6 mths and in that case it might be worth a scrap with the

I'm not sure the 'first offence in 10 years' cuts any ice these days, you've just been invited to join a rather large club of which I've been a member for a few years now.

gh0st

4,693 posts

278 months

Wednesday 16th July 2003
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Long and the short of it is that you were speeding. You can either contest that you WERE NOT speeding in which case you need to be prepared to fight the power so to speak.

They dont care whether you were driving safely or had done so for x amount of years, they just care about extracting some money and doshing out 3 points to make the figures look good.

tonyrec

3,984 posts

275 months

Thursday 17th July 2003
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If you fight and lose.......your fine will be greater than £60 in addition to any legal costs that you might have incurred along the way.

My advice is.......if theres no doubt that you were speeding, then take it on the chin and pay the fine and learn to be more observant in future.

voyds9

8,490 posts

303 months

Thursday 17th July 2003
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Why do points/fine increase when you contest the charge? Surely you have broken no more of the law, you just needed more proof.

pmanson

13,388 posts

273 months

Thursday 17th July 2003
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voyds9 said:
Why do points/fine increase when you contest the charge? Surely you have broken no more of the law, you just needed more proof.


Its a bit like if you plead guilty to an offence you get less of a sentance/fine etc than if you get found guilty after pleading innocent.

And also as a generally law abiding citizen your more likely to pay the fine or have the means to pay the fine than a criminal. (Sorry aren't us motorists the worst criminals of the all?? )

granville

18,764 posts

281 months

Thursday 17th July 2003
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Moocho sympathy, Sir.

Actually, one would hope this type of mindless 'criminalisation' by the authorities is what's prompting GMP's Chief Wizard to tell his army of motorized Nazgul to lay off Johnny Alreadyhardpressedenoughwithoutallthisbollockstoo:

the indiscriminate nature of the atrocious automated nabbing contraptions is peeing off large chunks of the populace for generally no good reason (urban areas excepted, I quite agree).

Pay the damn thing and keep you powder dry. I'm quite sure some slimey snake in the grass will offer us all a marginally better deal in the not too distant future.

Btw, is it an offence to raise the sign of ye olde English archer at Talivans and the like?

CarZee

13,382 posts

287 months

Thursday 17th July 2003
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derestrictor said:
Btw, is it an offence to raise the sign of ye olde English archer at Talivans and the like?
It is in Northants... threatening (intimidating) behaviour or such like they charge poeple with..

It was mentioned on here a while back and it was ceretainly in the news.

Invertebrates.

granville

18,764 posts

281 months

Thursday 17th July 2003
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CarZee said:

derestrictor said:
Btw, is it an offence to raise the sign of ye olde English archer at Talivans and the like?

It is in Northants... threatening (intimidating) behaviour or such like they charge poeple with..

It was mentioned on here a while back and it was ceretainly in the news.

Invertebrates.


How feeble. Then again, I had heard that this county was notorious for sporting quite the worst Panda-based Himmlers.

Molluscs!

plotloss

67,280 posts

290 months

Thursday 17th July 2003
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Fellas, I feel you are doing a diservice to the lower order members of Kingdom Animalia.

They are, quite simply,

hertsbiker

6,443 posts

291 months

Thursday 17th July 2003
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Ummm, I recall reading the the points stay the same, just the fine goes up + costs.

There shouldn't be a difference in penalty if you try to defend yourself or we have "two tier" justice. And that isn't strictly ethical.

Can't you just not sign the form, or say you don't know who was driving?

C