Taser death after Bedford police use
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Need to wait for the PM before jumping to conclusions. Story says he had an injury already - may well have been a contributing factor.
Of course, the alternatives may have been to have shot him with a live firearm (almost certainly fatal) or another police officer killed with a knife by a drug crazed nutter. (Not that I'm assuming he was on drugs necessarily).
Of course, the alternatives may have been to have shot him with a live firearm (almost certainly fatal) or another police officer killed with a knife by a drug crazed nutter. (Not that I'm assuming he was on drugs necessarily).
xxplod said:
Need to wait for the PM before jumping to conclusions. Story says he had an injury already - may well have been a contributing factor.
Of course, the alternatives may have been to have shot him with a live firearm (almost certainly fatal) or another police officer killed with a knife by a drug crazed nutter. (Not that I'm assuming he was on drugs necessarily).
So what exactly ARE you saying????Of course, the alternatives may have been to have shot him with a live firearm (almost certainly fatal) or another police officer killed with a knife by a drug crazed nutter. (Not that I'm assuming he was on drugs necessarily).
Mojocvh said:
xxplod said:
Need to wait for the PM before jumping to conclusions. Story says he had an injury already - may well have been a contributing factor.
Of course, the alternatives may have been to have shot him with a live firearm (almost certainly fatal) or another police officer killed with a knife by a drug crazed nutter. (Not that I'm assuming he was on drugs necessarily).
So what exactly ARE you saying????Of course, the alternatives may have been to have shot him with a live firearm (almost certainly fatal) or another police officer killed with a knife by a drug crazed nutter. (Not that I'm assuming he was on drugs necessarily).
paoloh said:
I'm sorry that he died but hey, he was brandishing a knife and threatening people. You want to be a criminal with an offensive weapon, you roll your dice and take your chances!
So you're happy that the police are using a firearm that is akin, in it's "deadliness" to a game of Russian Roulette? To some it will be nothing but a "short sharp shock" whereas to others it will be their last EVER shock?Personally I'm not, really. Especially if, as suggested, it's not going to be just firearms officers who get these.
Question for plod - why wouldn't CS gas have been enough to stop this chap from being a threat? Or a dog? It just seems like giving police "guns" is an easy option with lethal consequences on too many occasions.
One has to wonder if the Tazer will be used as a 'time saving' device.
Everyone keeps mentioning guns or CS as the alternatives to the Tazer being deployed but in circumstances like these isn't dialogue often the way to bring the miscreant back under control?
I hope the Tazer isn't seen as a quick and easy way of ending standoffs instead of using officers specially trained in negotiation.
Everyone keeps mentioning guns or CS as the alternatives to the Tazer being deployed but in circumstances like these isn't dialogue often the way to bring the miscreant back under control?
I hope the Tazer isn't seen as a quick and easy way of ending standoffs instead of using officers specially trained in negotiation.
Edited by mark69sheer on Sunday 20th January 17:46
tigger1 said:
paoloh said:
I'm sorry that he died but hey, he was brandishing a knife and threatening people. You want to be a criminal with an offensive weapon, you roll your dice and take your chances!
So you're happy that the police are using a firearm that is akin, in it's "deadliness" to a game of Russian Roulette? To some it will be nothing but a "short sharp shock" whereas to others it will be their last EVER shock?Personally I'm not, really. Especially if, as suggested, it's not going to be just firearms officers who get these.
Question for plod - why wouldn't CS gas have been enough to stop this chap from being a threat? Or a dog? It just seems like giving police "guns" is an easy option with lethal consequences on too many occasions.
BBC said:
When officers arrived at the house at about 1900 GMT on Saturday they were confronted by the armed man, police said.
He was then shot with the police Taser gun.
"The man went into the house where he inflicted a more serious injury on himself," said Bedfordshire Police.
What's the argument here then? AFTER being shot with the Taser he inflicted a more serious injury on himself, so to suggest the shock was to blame for his death seems a big stretch.He was then shot with the police Taser gun.
"The man went into the house where he inflicted a more serious injury on himself," said Bedfordshire Police.
if the police start regular use of tasers the press will be all over it giving them even more bad press and ultimatly creating even more loss of faith in the police from the general public.
from where i am sitting the police arming every officer with tasers is like admitting they have failed, they employ retards and cant cope with asserting propper tried and tested working policing methods.
if they all get them, most will abuse them, will be fun in liverpool where plod regularly bury family members when they mess with the wrong people, I suspect this to increase 100 fold up there.
from where i am sitting the police arming every officer with tasers is like admitting they have failed, they employ retards and cant cope with asserting propper tried and tested working policing methods.
if they all get them, most will abuse them, will be fun in liverpool where plod regularly bury family members when they mess with the wrong people, I suspect this to increase 100 fold up there.
Timayyyy said:
ever tried to get up after one of those in your Chest/Back?
ive had one in the leg, was a dare when i was a teenager (dont ask!) wasnt that bad.mabe different in the chest, im not sure but it was just a shock that stopped me for a few seconds, automatic reation once i got up was to chin the lad who did it, i dont remember nothing really other than his family later saying they would press charges becuase i beat up their son, then my mum reminding them there was an illegal weapon involved and their son used it on me!
(although i told her it was a dare and i deserved it)
might be different in the chest though, also might be a more potent shock on the new ones, not sure, this was about 1990.
DucatiGary said:
if the police start regular use of tasers the press will be all over it giving them even more bad press and ultimatly creating even more loss of faith in the police from the general public.
from where i am sitting the police arming every officer with tasers is like admitting they have failed, they employ retards and cant cope with asserting propper tried and tested working policing methods.
if they all get them, most will abuse them, will be fun in liverpool where plod regularly bury family members when they mess with the wrong people, I suspect this to increase 100 fold up there.
As society changes, then policing methods need to change... Dixon of Dock Green is dead you know from where i am sitting the police arming every officer with tasers is like admitting they have failed, they employ retards and cant cope with asserting propper tried and tested working policing methods.
if they all get them, most will abuse them, will be fun in liverpool where plod regularly bury family members when they mess with the wrong people, I suspect this to increase 100 fold up there.
Do you think the police in America have "failed" then?
And as for employing retards, I didn't think you'd signed up? I suppose you'd be glad of the help of those retards if you needed them though eh? how nice of those retards to help a
ing clown like you 
And as for "If they all get them, most will abuse them" have you got a link to the evidence for this? please don't tell me that statement was just based purely on your expert opinion, I'm not too sure your expert opinion counts for
all.... 
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