tracker fitted to company car!!!!!!!!!!!

[craigsmini]

hi every 1 my mate has had a tracker fitted to his company car so his boss can keep an eye on him any way of getting round trackers!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hope someone can help

[mybrainhurts]

We don't do text speak here, young man...

[andyuk911]

Surely this will prove how hard he works ...

[Balmoral Green]

craigsmini said:

any way of getting round trackers!

I wouldn't have thought so. If it is disabled, then the boss will soon become aware and tracker will be asked to come and fix it. He might be able to string it out for a few weeks as a fault, but not for too long, then he's rumbled, and you've got damaging firms property to deal with too.

Short of transferring it to another vehicle, and sorting out a driver who is paid to drive like Miss Daisy and be where & when he should be, as a decoy, he's stuffed.

We have then on our works vans, but there is no way they will be put on any of our company cars, everyone would leave. I know I would.

[BiggusLaddus]

A salesman I know had one fitted without him knowing about it. He started getting calls from his boss if he wasn't on the road by 9am.

As you can imagine, he was less than impressed when he foulnd out about it.

[Chrisgr31]

Is it legal for a boss to do this?

[bleesh]

Chrisgr31 said:

Is it legal for a boss to do this?

I would have thought so - after all they are keeping an eye on a company asset - the car more than the employee...and of course it may reduce their insurance premiums

Steve

[Devils Advocate]

Surely if you're doing your job, that you're being paid by the company to do, there's nothing to hide and no problem is there?

[skeggysteve]

Chrisgr31 said:

Is it legal for a boss to do this?

Tracker rep told me, in late 2006, it was not legal if you did not inform the employee.
But tribunals etc. don't tend to mind if employee is being 'naughty'.

[Chrisgr31]

skeggysteve said:

Chrisgr31 said:

Is it legal for a boss to do this?

Tracker rep told me, in late 2006, it was not legal if you did not inform the employee.
But tribunals etc. don't tend to mind if employee is being 'naughty'.

I think The Register reported on a European Court case recently involving employers monitoring employees emails. The decision as I recall was not in favour of the employer!

[Silent1]

There's plenty of undetectable ways to get round them, our engineers at work are approved installers who disable them all the time, but i'm still not saying, as it's installed for a reason. Whether that reason is moral is another matter.

[deevlash]

buy a lump of lead, or steal it from a roof top if you're that way inclined. Than mould it into a little box to cover said transmitter. glue over the box and maybe another one on the other side of the metal its stuck to. If that then manages to transmit anything im a dutchman.

all claims relating to sacrificial corrosion should be lodged with someone else

[peterguk]

Don't see the problem myself - boss pays you to work, so if you've nothing to hide then what's the problem?

Great idea!

[streaky]

peterguk said:

Don't see the problem myself - boss pays you to work, so if you've nothing to hide then what's the problem?

Great idea!

The employee works '9 to 5' ... the tracker works 24X7. If the boss can get access to tracking data for outside the employee's contracted hours, is that still a "great idea"? - Streaky

Edited by streaky on Thursday 24th January 18:52

[Strangely Brown]

streaky said:

peterguk said:

Don't see the problem myself - boss pays you to work, so if you've nothing to hide then what's the problem?

Great idea!

The employee works '9 to 5' ... the tracker works 24X7. If the bos can get access to tracking data for outside the employee's contracted hours, is that still a "great idea"? - Streaky

I guess it would depend on the individual company rules for use of the company vehicle out of hours.

Edited by Strangely Brown on Thursday 24th January 08:26

[Lurker]

peterguk said:

Don't see the problem myself - boss pays you to work, so if you've nothing to hide then what's the problem?

Great idea!

Lousy idea.

If I join a company, and a selling point of the job is a company car for me to use out of hours, I'm not going to be happy when I find out somewhere down the line I am now being tracked.

Apart from the gross invasion of privacy issue, the information will presumably be used to pressure drivers to drive 'economically' (which could mean slower than you usually drive to make progress, or faster than you feel comfortable with to hit targets), and strictly according to the driving prejudices of the management.

Roadcraft won't come into it.

Presumably when this major rewriting of car use comes into play, management will also be rewriting salaries upwards to soften the blow...

Edited by Lurker on Thursday 24th January 09:29

[Silent1]

Lurker said:

peterguk said:

Don't see the problem myself - boss pays you to work, so if you've nothing to hide then what's the problem?

Great idea!

Lousy idea.

If I join a company, and a selling point of the job is a company car for me to use out of hours, I'm not going to be happy when I find out somewhere down the line I am now being tracked.

Apart from the gross invasion of privacy issue, the information will presumably be used to pressure drivers to drive 'economically' (which could mean slower than you usually drive to make progress, or faster than you feel comfortable with to hit targets), and strictly according to the driving prejudices of the management.

Roadcraft won't come into it.

Presumably when this major rewriting of car use comes into play, management will also be rewriting salaries upwards to soften the blow...

Edited by Lurker on Thursday 24th January 09:29

Nice bit of paranoia there, they're hardly going to tell you to drive slower. Anyway since when was a company car available for personal use, doesn't that fall foul of the BIK tax?

[Lurker]

Silent1 said:

Lurker said:

peterguk said:

Don't see the problem myself - boss pays you to work, so if you've nothing to hide then what's the problem?

Great idea!

Lousy idea.

If I join a company, and a selling point of the job is a company car for me to use out of hours, I'm not going to be happy when I find out somewhere down the line I am now being tracked.

Apart from the gross invasion of privacy issue, the information will presumably be used to pressure drivers to drive 'economically' (which could mean slower than you usually drive to make progress, or faster than you feel comfortable with to hit targets), and strictly according to the driving prejudices of the management.

Roadcraft won't come into it.

Presumably when this major rewriting of car use comes into play, management will also be rewriting salaries upwards to soften the blow...

Nice bit of paranoia there, they're hardly going to tell you to drive slower.

Just because I'm paranoid, that doesn't mean they're... etc.

Having received occasional corporate missives about economical driving (meaning to preserve fuel), I don't see why this concern couldn't be extended to using tracker data to increase the pressure, though I'll acknowledge it may be unlikely.

When I'm out on the road, I drive according to how I feel safe, and do not need to feel there may be a manager looking over my shoulder retrospectively, adding pressure to drive faster or slower.

[Lurker]

Guam said:

Lurker said:

Presumably when this major rewriting of car use comes into play, management will also be rewriting salaries upwards to soften the blow...

Easy answer to that Opt Out of the Company Car Scheme then you can do what you like

Cheers

Not so easy if you are locked into it for another two years. Cheers.

[Chrisgr31]

Silent1 said:

Nice bit of paranoia there, they're hardly going to tell you to drive slower. Anyway since when was a company car available for personal use, doesn't that fall foul of the BIK tax?

Since when hasn't a company car been available for private use? Company vans may not be available for personal use, although many are. However whats the point in having a company car if you can't use it for personal use?

If I had a company car and couldn't use it fr personal use it would then need to be parked at the office overnight and at weekends, as getting to and from work is personal use. Therefore if going out on business I'd have to drive my private car to the office first to collect my company car. This could be an hours drive in the opposite direction to my appointment. So instead of an appointment being at 9, it would be at 10!