This would never have happened if London had a 20 mph limit
Discussion
Now we've got cameras and civil servants instead of Police, I think we're going to see a fair bit more of this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7217410....
Never mind, I'm sure the cheap network of average speed cameras will prevent this type of thing in the future.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7217410....
Never mind, I'm sure the cheap network of average speed cameras will prevent this type of thing in the future.
paranha said:
It would/WILL happen with a full compliment of police,and happen many times due to the fact that we dont have a Govt that ensures the Judges give a proper sentence for the crime, and prisons to put them in.
We need both. For the justice system to work as a deterrent, you need both a high chance of detection AND a meaningful punishment.Take either one away and people start not caring. Take BOTH away (seems to be the case for a lot of :cough: minor :cough:
crimes in the UK), and the crims will think it's Christmas come early...When did common-sense disappear from our elected 'leaders' (sic)???
I suppose it'a not rocket science IF we really wanted to all but eradicate speeding.
You either put cameras up along every road, every 200m, or you do as in the USA and employ real traffic cops who often outnumber locals, and who ALWAYS park at the entrance to towns or at junctions - so not only is the deterrent there, they are also saving lives.
Have always said that. A copper needs only park his marked car at a roundabout ( on it?? )and then he can listen to music and eat donuts all day - his very presence will SAVE lives.
I still cannot understand why we won't do this, or that with the hatred of cameras which are leading to alienation and loss of respect for the police, we have not had a politician come by who is brave enough to demand a new policy.
You either put cameras up along every road, every 200m, or you do as in the USA and employ real traffic cops who often outnumber locals, and who ALWAYS park at the entrance to towns or at junctions - so not only is the deterrent there, they are also saving lives.
Have always said that. A copper needs only park his marked car at a roundabout ( on it?? )and then he can listen to music and eat donuts all day - his very presence will SAVE lives.
I still cannot understand why we won't do this, or that with the hatred of cameras which are leading to alienation and loss of respect for the police, we have not had a politician come by who is brave enough to demand a new policy.
SlowMo said:
You could have had 1000 police on the same street and this would have happened.
You're right in that you can never totally eliminate the behaviour of hardened criminals.I don't think it's so easy to make the statement that more Policing would have failed to stop this incident though. His driving would surely have been erratic and likely cause for a stop?
If the criminal knows there will be solid road policing, he may have taken a method of transport less likely to draw attention from the law, i.e. the bus?
Additionally, by extending your logic, one might construct an argument that no enforcement is required at all; if something is always going to happen, the "police" should just be there to mop up the mess caused by the crime. Why bother trying to prevent anything? No need to stop people drunk/drug driving, just arrest them after they've had a smash. After all, we could have a 1000 police and it won't stop these people
I wouldn't be suprised if there *were* nearly a 1000 thousand CCTV and speed cameras in that area, and they didn't do a fat lot of good either.
SlowMo said:
You're talking about someone on c.meth here . . . . the last thing going through his mind after a few day bringe with no sleep is the thought of getting caught.
OK, so he's determined to drive. Are you saying that decent amounts of road policing would have failed to detect his erratic driving style?
havoc said:
paranha said:
It would/WILL happen with a full compliment of police,and happen many times due to the fact that we dont have a Govt that ensures the Judges give a proper sentence for the crime, and prisons to put them in.
We need both. For the justice system to work as a deterrent, you need both a high chance of detection AND a meaningful punishment.Take either one away and people start not caring. Take BOTH away (seems to be the case for a lot of :cough: minor :cough:
crimes in the UK), and the crims will think it's Christmas come early...When did common-sense disappear from our elected 'leaders' (sic)???
You have both just made more sense in a couple of short paragraphs than the current regime have managed collectively in years!!!!!!!
G51CAV said:
Have either of you ever considered becoming politicians?
Considered it and dismissed it just as quickly:-1) The majority of people in this country don't actually like or want to be told the truth. They'd far rather be cotton-woolled with platitudes and statistics, until the truth breaks in through their back door and nicks all the valuable, of course...
2) Politics in this country is almost purely a big-party thing now, unless you've serious financial backing enabling you to stand as an independent. And I have no desire to join the arse-kissing be-assimilated-or-die machine that is a big party, nor the financial wherewithal to do it alone.
3) As a politician you suddenly become a target for any 2nd-rate paparazzi-wannabe and local muck-rag journo...doesn't appeal. No real skeletons, but that doesn't stop the attention nor the loonies...and I like my privacy!
...but thanks for the compliment!
Edited by havoc on Thursday 31st January 18:37
goto google and do an image search for
crystal +meth
You can get a pretty good idea of your face within a few years, assuming u make it that long...
Some people are pre-disposed to drugs and will take them no matter the consequence
http://www.methmadness.com/facesofmeth.html
crystal +meth
You can get a pretty good idea of your face within a few years, assuming u make it that long...
Some people are pre-disposed to drugs and will take them no matter the consequence
http://www.methmadness.com/facesofmeth.html
SlowMo said:
You could have had 1000 police on the same street and this would have happened.
I don't agree....if they'd all been lined up...50 side by side....and 20 rows deep......he couldn't have driven through them all....Well.....certainly not at 20mph
Edited by dasherdiablo1 on Friday 1st February 14:27
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