Front Fog Lights
Discussion
Does anyone know why so many people drive with front fogs on just because it's gone a bit dark? Am I the only person in the world who hasn't figured this out? Front fogs on, sidelights but no headlights, not actually foggy...
It just makes no sense to me but more importantly, is it actually legal?
I know the police will pull you over for rear fogs if it's not foggy so what's the deal with front fogs?
I know this is probably not a burning issue, but I'm on a half hour lunch break and just wondered...
It just makes no sense to me but more importantly, is it actually legal?
I know the police will pull you over for rear fogs if it's not foggy so what's the deal with front fogs?
I know this is probably not a burning issue, but I'm on a half hour lunch break and just wondered...
There are three circumstances where the use of front fog lights causes an offence.
One is where they cause dazzle,
Another is where they are used other than in seriously reduced visibility (generally accepted as less than 100m)
Finally if they are used when parked.
All Reg 27 RVLR 1989.
If I believe they have been used unknowingly the user will get the benefit of doubt + advice.
Usually locals will get one warning, then a ticket.
Those who argue they are helping them see, or put them on because everyone else does get a £30 ticket.
One is where they cause dazzle,
Another is where they are used other than in seriously reduced visibility (generally accepted as less than 100m)
Finally if they are used when parked.
All Reg 27 RVLR 1989.
If I believe they have been used unknowingly the user will get the benefit of doubt + advice.
Usually locals will get one warning, then a ticket.
Those who argue they are helping them see, or put them on because everyone else does get a £30 ticket.
Soren2 said:
If I believe they have been used unknowingly the user will get the benefit of doubt + advice.
But you have to press this button to put them on:
If you don't know what the buttons do in your car, then you shouldn't be driving.
Give the vain muppets a section 59 and get the imbeciles off the road.
I've never really understood why the misuse of front foglights really bothers anyone. They are set so low that it is difficult to dazzle oncoming drivers unless they decide to look straight at the lights. Surely, misuse of rear foglights is more of an issue? The height of the lights mean that they are more likely to dazzle and make it difficult to see the brake lights.
On my list of things that annoy me I've placed heavily tinted windows above misuse of front fog lights. The heavy tints, although legal, make it near impossible to look through a vehicle. Also, we teach young children to assess if a car is likely to move by looking inside and establishing if a driver is present. The tinted windows make this assessment far more difficult.
That's my lot. I'm going now.
pp
On my list of things that annoy me I've placed heavily tinted windows above misuse of front fog lights. The heavy tints, although legal, make it near impossible to look through a vehicle. Also, we teach young children to assess if a car is likely to move by looking inside and establishing if a driver is present. The tinted windows make this assessment far more difficult.
That's my lot. I'm going now.
pp
I'm sure that this has all been covered by previous threads but:
1. front fogs light up the road immediately in front of the car to illuminate the verge, cats eyes, kerb etc and are set low to avoid direct reflection in fog. At speeds greaer than 10-20mph their benefit is limited in clear conditions as you should be looking further down the road at the furthest range of your headlights.
2. The problem for oncoming drivers in clear conditions is that whilst the lights may not be dazzling, the approaching driver is confronted by a significantly greater area of light which affects the eyes' ability to see beyond the lights - like someone on a stage illuminated by stage lights can't see the audience. Add to this the eyes' natural tendency to focus on a bright light source can make a driver 'temporarily' blind (something which worsens with age as the eye takes longer to re-adapt).
I've used front foglights once or twice in pea soup conditions travelling at 5-10mph and used them to pick out the side of the road. In any other conditions I'm more concerned with being seen and rely on the headlights to warn of my presence.
As for rear fogs - the world's worst invention. I've only ever felt the need to use them 3 time in >20 years of driving.
1. front fogs light up the road immediately in front of the car to illuminate the verge, cats eyes, kerb etc and are set low to avoid direct reflection in fog. At speeds greaer than 10-20mph their benefit is limited in clear conditions as you should be looking further down the road at the furthest range of your headlights.
2. The problem for oncoming drivers in clear conditions is that whilst the lights may not be dazzling, the approaching driver is confronted by a significantly greater area of light which affects the eyes' ability to see beyond the lights - like someone on a stage illuminated by stage lights can't see the audience. Add to this the eyes' natural tendency to focus on a bright light source can make a driver 'temporarily' blind (something which worsens with age as the eye takes longer to re-adapt).
I've used front foglights once or twice in pea soup conditions travelling at 5-10mph and used them to pick out the side of the road. In any other conditions I'm more concerned with being seen and rely on the headlights to warn of my presence.
As for rear fogs - the world's worst invention. I've only ever felt the need to use them 3 time in >20 years of driving.
Bing o said:
Soren2 said:
If I believe they have been used unknowingly the user will get the benefit of doubt + advice.
But you have to press this button to put them on:If you don't know what the buttons do in your car, then you shouldn't be driving.
Give the vain muppets a section 59 and get the imbeciles off the road.
I also think that front fogs should be designed to come on only if rear reds are on. That way it would reduce the chav use of them.
Soren2 said:
Bing o said:
Soren2 said:
If I believe they have been used unknowingly the user will get the benefit of doubt + advice.
But you have to press this button to put them on:If you don't know what the buttons do in your car, then you shouldn't be driving.
Give the vain muppets a section 59 and get the imbeciles off the road.
I also think that front fogs should be designed to come on only if rear reds are on. That way it would reduce the chav use of them.
I only see old people abusing lights by not having them on at all...at 9pm!!
(though it's hard to see past the glare from foglight onto road into eye)
Soren2 said:
Bing o said:
Soren2 said:
If I believe they have been used unknowingly the user will get the benefit of doubt + advice.
But you have to press this button to put them on:If you don't know what the buttons do in your car, then you shouldn't be driving.
Give the vain muppets a section 59 and get the imbeciles off the road.
I also think that front fogs should be designed to come on only if rear reds are on. That way it would reduce the chav use of them.
Bing o said:
Soren2 said:
Bing o said:
Soren2 said:
If I believe they have been used unknowingly the user will get the benefit of doubt + advice.
But you have to press this button to put them on:If you don't know what the buttons do in your car, then you shouldn't be driving.
Give the vain muppets a section 59 and get the imbeciles off the road.
I also think that front fogs should be designed to come on only if rear reds are on. That way it would reduce the chav use of them.
I only see old people abusing lights by not having them on at all...at 9pm!!
(though it's hard to see past the glare from foglight onto road into eye)
We have numerous ways of dealing with this offence. My purpose is to prevent, and it seems to work with the chavs and muppets, which is probably why we're left with the 60+ to deal with. I suppose that's a result then!
Pickled Piper said:
On my list of things that annoy me I've placed heavily tinted windows above misuse of front fog lights. The heavy tints, although legal, make it near impossible to look through a vehicle. Also, we teach young children to assess if a car is likely to move by looking inside and establishing if a driver is present. The tinted windows make this assessment far more difficult.
I take it you have a panic attack when behind vans with no rear windows then?Soren2 said:
I also think that front fogs should be designed to come on only if rear reds are on. That way it would reduce the chav use of them.
A better way would be to restrict vehicle speed to 20mph when the foglights are on - if it's genuinely foggy enough to justify the lights, then that speed is plenty...
Soren2 said:
If I believe they have been used unknowingly the user will get the benefit of doubt + advice.
Usually locals will get one warning, then a ticket.
Those who argue they are helping them see, or put them on because everyone else does get a £30 ticket.
Usually locals will get one warning, then a ticket.
Those who argue they are helping them see, or put them on because everyone else does get a £30 ticket.
Soren2 said:
I also think that front fogs should be designed to come on only if rear reds are on.
Pickled Piper said:
I've never really understood why the misuse of front foglights really bothers anyone. They are set so low that it is difficult to dazzle oncoming drivers unless they decide to look straight at the lights. Surely, misuse of rear foglights is more of an issue? The height of the lights mean that they are more likely to dazzle and make it difficult to see the brake lights.
On my list of things that annoy me I've placed heavily tinted windows above misuse of front fog lights. The heavy tints, although legal, make it near impossible to look through a vehicle. Also, we teach young children to assess if a car is likely to move by looking inside and establishing if a driver is present. The tinted windows make this assessment far more difficult.
That's my lot. I'm going now.
pp
Heavy tinting of windows fore of the B pillar is not legalOn my list of things that annoy me I've placed heavily tinted windows above misuse of front fog lights. The heavy tints, although legal, make it near impossible to look through a vehicle. Also, we teach young children to assess if a car is likely to move by looking inside and establishing if a driver is present. The tinted windows make this assessment far more difficult.
That's my lot. I'm going now.
pp
70% of light for side windows 75% of light for windscreen must be allowed into the vehicle.
For information, the standard window tint on a volvo straight out of factory is just above the required level.
RNN14 said:
Soren2 said:
I also think that front fogs should be designed to come on only if rear reds are on. That way it would reduce the chav use of them.
A better way would be to restrict vehicle speed to 20mph when the foglights are on - if it's genuinely foggy enough to justify the lights, then that speed is plenty...
- Streaky
Bing o said:
Well you should come around here then - ethnic types in luxobarges, photocopier salesman showing that their company let them tick the lighting option on their company 318, and chavs.
So true!I don't get annoyed with front foglight users. It's the motoring equivalent of passing someone in the street wearing an oversized pin-badge saying 'I am a w
r'. You'd laugh at them, but you wouldn't get annoyed.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff