Kumbria's Keystone Kamera Kops
Kumbria's Keystone Kamera Kops
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Spokey

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2,246 posts

240 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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I drove up to Scotland and back over two consecutive days and was amazed to see Cumbria's "finest" indulging in a fantastic new crime-fighting technique:

1. Scamera van hidden behind a bridge.
2. Queue of donut-munchers in fast cars next to them.

Further down the road, I saw that they'd pulled over a car. I can only surmise that they use the hidden camera to identify people who are speeding and then send the donut-mobile to go catch them and pull them over. God only knows how fast they have to drive to catch them from a standing start.

I felt that this smacked of underhanded, target-driven motorist persecution, probably because the scamera was completely hidden until you were nearly on top of it. Still, keeps the roads safe, doesn't it? woohoo

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

275 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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[chorus]Sounds more like ANPR.[/chorus]


Spokey

Original Poster:

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240 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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Einion Yrth][chorus]Sounds more like ANPR.[/chorus said:
Of course it does. wink

Dibble

13,292 posts

271 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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Yes it does sound like ANPR.

carrotchomper

18,332 posts

235 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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ANPR. Encore.

Soren2

251 posts

226 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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As one of those do-nut scoffers, I can confirm the above.

I can also confirm that the do-nuts in question were actually Mars Bar cakes made by Cat the delectable dog handler.

Thanks Cat!

BOF

991 posts

254 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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Kumbria's Keystone Kamera Kops

Ask her to try some Kup Kakes for a change?

BOF idea

andmole

1,594 posts

242 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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Soren2 said:
As one of those do-nut scoffers, I can confirm the above.

I can also confirm that the do-nuts in question were actually Mars Bar cakes made by Cat the delectable dog handler.

Thanks Cat!
Just how often do you run these ANPR operations? I'm not complaining, I happen to think ANPR is a good thing, (unlike a lot of speed cameras), but I was driving in S. Cumbria a lot before christmas and I saw the set up on the M6 at least twice a week, (usually more), for weeks on end. I just hope that there is a balanced approach to policing of ALL illegal activities in Cumbria.

Soren2

251 posts

226 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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andmole said:
Soren2 said:
As one of those do-nut scoffers, I can confirm the above.

I can also confirm that the do-nuts in question were actually Mars Bar cakes made by Cat the delectable dog handler.

Thanks Cat!
Just how often do you run these ANPR operations? I'm not complaining, I happen to think ANPR is a good thing, (unlike a lot of speed cameras), but I was driving in S. Cumbria a lot before christmas and I saw the set up on the M6 at least twice a week, (usually more), for weeks on end. I just hope that there is a balanced approach to policing of ALL illegal activities in Cumbria.
We have an ANPR unit operating at various times round the clock, acting both reactively and proactively round the entire county. I don't actually work on the department, I'm on traffic, occasionally feeding off them if need be. We also have ANPR cameras in many of the traffic cars. We have had some significant crime detection and frustration successes with ANPR stops, although I'm very much of the belief that we also have to be aware of their limitations, the ability of medium to high level criminals to manipulate them and the potential civil liberties issues.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

248 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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Is the OP thinking of Lancashire's ANPR setup just north of Lancaster?

andmole

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242 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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10 Pence Short said:
Is the OP thinking of Lancashire's ANPR setup just north of Lancaster?
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Possibly, I'm not exactly sure where the county boundary intersects the M6.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

248 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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As far as I'm aware it's literally a few hundred yards south of Burton services.

The ANPR is often setup by Lancashire Police on the Northbound side a few hundred yards past junction 34 with the actual traffic cars pulling people up after junction 35.

teabagger

723 posts

228 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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Spokey said:
I drove up to Scotland and back over two consecutive days and was amazed to see Cumbria's "finest" indulging in a fantastic new crime-fighting technique:

1. Scamera van hidden behind a bridge.
2. Queue of donut-munchers in fast cars next to them.

Further down the road, I saw that they'd pulled over a car. I can only surmise that they use the hidden camera to identify people who are speeding and then send the donut-mobile to go catch them and pull them over. God only knows how fast they have to drive to catch them from a standing start.

I felt that this smacked of underhanded, target-driven motorist persecution, probably because the scamera was completely hidden until you were nearly on top of it. Still, keeps the roads safe, doesn't it? woohoo
I have been driving to Scotland regularly lately. I am amazed at the road policing tactics over the border.
Camera vans around slight bends just after long straights in oven country side, police bikes with mobile guns hiding in church entrances - you wouldn’t even know you had been done until the good news drops through your door.
I changed my route into Scotland so I stay in England as much as poss (not a dig at Scot’s just the camera policy)

wakeywakey

41 posts

227 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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10 Pence Short said:
As far as I'm aware it's literally a few hundred yards south of Burton services.

The ANPR is often setup by Lancashire Police on the Northbound side a few hundred yards past junction 34 with the actual traffic cars pulling people up after junction 35.
There is a big brown sign on the northbound carriageway just a couple of hundred yards south of the Burton Services.
There's your clue, North of it it's Cumbria; South it's Lancs.

andmole

1,594 posts

242 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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wakeywakey said:
10 Pence Short said:
As far as I'm aware it's literally a few hundred yards south of Burton services.

The ANPR is often setup by Lancashire Police on the Northbound side a few hundred yards past junction 34 with the actual traffic cars pulling people up after junction 35.
There is a big brown sign on the northbound carriageway just a couple of hundred yards south of the Burton Services.
There's your clue, North of it it's Cumbria; South it's Lancs.
Is that sign lit? Or particularly reflective?

When I was doing a lot of driving in the area before christmas I was starting work at 6am, i.e. dark!



Will look out for the signage though, I'm not sure if there's one going the other way for lancs, and on several occasions I saw the ANPR set up they were definitely on a bridge in Cumbria. I know this because it was on a bridge that I used to drive over after leaving the motorway at JN 36, which is the Kendal turnoff, well past the services, and most certainly in Cumbria.

Edited to add, I'm being a pillock, on those occasions they were on a bridge over the A590 dual carriageway, that's definitely Cumbria. I also saw the cameras on a bridge over the M6 PAST the services, as well as before the services on occasions. Do the counties co-operate and allow "overlap" for operations like this?

Edited by andmole on Tuesday 5th February 18:42

r5gttgaz

7,897 posts

251 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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Kunts.

FishFace

3,790 posts

239 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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Spokey said:
I drove up to Scotland and back over two consecutive days and was amazed to see Cumbria's "finest" indulging in a fantastic new crime-fighting technique:

1. Scamera van hidden behind a bridge.
2. Queue of donut-munchers in fast cars next to them.

Further down the road, I saw that they'd pulled over a car. I can only surmise that they use the hidden camera to identify people who are speeding and then send the donut-mobile to go catch them and pull them over. God only knows how fast they have to drive to catch them from a standing start.

I felt that this smacked of underhanded, target-driven motorist persecution, probably because the scamera was completely hidden until you were nearly on top of it. Still, keeps the roads safe, doesn't it? woohoo
So it seems you're wrong then.

Although you do raise an important issue. Lord someone once said that 'justice doesn't just need to be done, it needs to be seen to be done'. I think the forces that smack 'SEIZED NO INSURANCE' type stickers on all the cars they hit through ANPR is a good idea. Most people (who aren't kocks) will think this is a good use of Police time as oppose to speed enforcement.




Dibble

13,292 posts

271 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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r5gttgaz said:
Kunts.
Who?

Why?

r5gttgaz

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251 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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Dibble said:
r5gttgaz said:
Kunts.
Who?

Why?
Who ever plans the speed traps up there.

Coming home from Scotland earlier this year, plod behind a burger van in layby, bikes at the ready to go chase.

Soren2

251 posts

226 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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r5gttgaz said:
Dibble said:
r5gttgaz said:
Kunts.
Who?

Why?
Who ever plans the speed traps up there.

Coming home from Scotland earlier this year, plod behind a burger van in layby, bikes at the ready to go chase.
ANPR again. As far as I'm aware if you have a camera van surrounded by other patrol vehicles it will always be ANPR.