Police Farce...
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Here I go - dont stand in the way 
Yesterday my son was stopped in the Vectra that he uses at the moment whilst waiting for engine mods to his Mk 1 Golf. Its a car covered by the garage trade insurance policy and is 100% legal. As it is a trade insurance policy the ANPR 'crackdown on crime' currently in force by Cheshires finest (lets let a camera catch a few wrongs-uns rather than use common sense policing) Once told it was a trader polisy they simply said fine and would have let him go on his way (using just 'his word')
They asked to look at his licence and due to an error with the DVLA they state he has not got a full licence
(He passed his test three and a bit years ago) SO, they impounded the Vectra! im and his three mates found their ownway home - from Knutsford to Poynton.
We have proved that he has a license and been to the donut shop showing them his stuff. Now we have to go to Northwich - quite a distance - between the hours of 9 til 4 - with Chris's boss to prove he owns the car and pay the £105 to get it back - able to claim the money back from DVLA as its their fault.
The only people they managed to successfully capture in this exercise are the scroats who will not even bother to claim their £50 Astras back - buy another and do it all over again.
Thank you Cheshire Plod - yet again the law abiding residents are inconvenienced whilst John Law sits in the warm Police station and the law breakers still chase around Cheshire for fun.
I'm done - as you were
Yesterday my son was stopped in the Vectra that he uses at the moment whilst waiting for engine mods to his Mk 1 Golf. Its a car covered by the garage trade insurance policy and is 100% legal. As it is a trade insurance policy the ANPR 'crackdown on crime' currently in force by Cheshires finest (lets let a camera catch a few wrongs-uns rather than use common sense policing) Once told it was a trader polisy they simply said fine and would have let him go on his way (using just 'his word')
They asked to look at his licence and due to an error with the DVLA they state he has not got a full licence
(He passed his test three and a bit years ago) SO, they impounded the Vectra! im and his three mates found their ownway home - from Knutsford to Poynton.We have proved that he has a license and been to the donut shop showing them his stuff. Now we have to go to Northwich - quite a distance - between the hours of 9 til 4 - with Chris's boss to prove he owns the car and pay the £105 to get it back - able to claim the money back from DVLA as its their fault.
The only people they managed to successfully capture in this exercise are the scroats who will not even bother to claim their £50 Astras back - buy another and do it all over again.
Thank you Cheshire Plod - yet again the law abiding residents are inconvenienced whilst John Law sits in the warm Police station and the law breakers still chase around Cheshire for fun.
I'm done - as you were
DVLA except that when I showed the licence to Macclesfield Police they said it looked fine, they rang DVLA who said this time - he does have a full license.
My point is that ANPR-ing cars to trawl a few villians in is not best use of Police resources - park up in a layby near our village and pull over the heaps of shit that are crammed with scroats up to no good...
Even though this is thoer/DVLA mistake there's no lee-way on how we might get the vehicle back.
I'll add that plod have pulled my lad a dozen times in the past and looked at the same 'so called questionabl' licence and been happy with it.
My point is that ANPR-ing cars to trawl a few villians in is not best use of Police resources - park up in a layby near our village and pull over the heaps of shit that are crammed with scroats up to no good...
Even though this is thoer/DVLA mistake there's no lee-way on how we might get the vehicle back.
I'll add that plod have pulled my lad a dozen times in the past and looked at the same 'so called questionabl' licence and been happy with it.
So it's not DVLA then? It either was an error with them at the time or it wasn't.
ANPR is a profoundly important piece of technology that goes way beyond low-level no insurance type work you're talking about. It is a serious tool when it comes to terrorism, arms / people / drugs trafficking.
The systems should be as perfect as possible. Unfortunately with a database ultimately controlled by humans there will always be a degree of collateral damage.
ANPR is a profoundly important piece of technology that goes way beyond low-level no insurance type work you're talking about. It is a serious tool when it comes to terrorism, arms / people / drugs trafficking.
The systems should be as perfect as possible. Unfortunately with a database ultimately controlled by humans there will always be a degree of collateral damage.
I would try to claim from DVLA all travel costs...for your son and his mates getting home, and for the cost of travel to reclaim the car, and any wages lost.
Can understand your rant at the Police, but they can only use the tools they are issued with...and ANPR might take some scroat off the road who would maybe damage your son sometime?
BOF.
PS - "I'll add that plod have pulled my lad a dozen times in the past and looked at the same 'so called questionabl' licence and been happy with it."
I have never heard of anyone being pulled this often...???
Can understand your rant at the Police, but they can only use the tools they are issued with...and ANPR might take some scroat off the road who would maybe damage your son sometime?
BOF.
PS - "I'll add that plod have pulled my lad a dozen times in the past and looked at the same 'so called questionabl' licence and been happy with it."
I have never heard of anyone being pulled this often...???
Edited by BOF on Saturday 9th February 17:55
thirteen-o-two said:
The only people they managed to successfully capture in this exercise are the scroats who will not even bother to claim their £50 Astras back - buy another and do it all over again.
So should Police leave the uninsured people driving about in £50 Astra's alone as they aren't in cars dear enough to worry about because they won't reclaim them when seized ? I don't think so ..... They also get 6 points every time their cars are seized and get a £200 fine. I can understand your frustration but the problem appears to have been created by a DVLA error ... so should the title of this thread not have been 'DVLA Farce'
Edited by John57 on Saturday 9th February 18:02
John57 said:
thirteen-o-two said:
I can understand your frustration but the problem appears to have been created by a DVLA error ... so should the title of this thread not have been 'DVLA Farce'
Edited by John57 on Saturday 9th February 18:02
Between the DVLA and the Police the Vectra sits in a compound at our expense -WE WERE/ ARE NOT IN THE WRONG. All attempts to get the car back are dealt with the usual stone wall of 'ah, that's nowt to do with us' If PC Lowe knew what a driving licence looked like in the first place and exercised some common sense (tough given the candidate) we would be arguing for the car back.
APNR cuts down on terrorism does it...
Yeah sure - I saw Osama and his mates in a 1993 Fiesta with moody plates earlier - jeesus h christ ...
BOF said:
BOF.
PS - "I'll add that plod have pulled my lad a dozen times in the past and looked at the same 'so called questionabl' licence and been happy with it."
I have never heard of anyone being pulled this often...???
Cheshire Police have little else to do other than pull legal Poynton kids on the road whilst the drug dealers sell crack up at the Bulls Head Car Park near the canal - FACT PS - "I'll add that plod have pulled my lad a dozen times in the past and looked at the same 'so called questionabl' licence and been happy with it."
I have never heard of anyone being pulled this often...???
Edited by BOF on Saturday 9th February 17:55
thirteen-o-two said:
No.
Between the DVLA and the Police the Vectra sits in a compound at our expense -WE WERE/ ARE NOT IN THE WRONG. All attempts to get the car back are dealt with the usual stone wall of 'ah, that's nowt to do with us' If PC Lowe knew what a driving licence looked like in the first place and exercised some common sense (tough given the candidate) we would be arguing for the car back.
APNR cuts down on terrorism does it...
Yeah sure - I saw Osama and his mates in a 1993 Fiesta with moody plates earlier - jeesus h christ ...
No one said the situation was right. Between the DVLA and the Police the Vectra sits in a compound at our expense -WE WERE/ ARE NOT IN THE WRONG. All attempts to get the car back are dealt with the usual stone wall of 'ah, that's nowt to do with us' If PC Lowe knew what a driving licence looked like in the first place and exercised some common sense (tough given the candidate) we would be arguing for the car back.
APNR cuts down on terrorism does it...
Yeah sure - I saw Osama and his mates in a 1993 Fiesta with moody plates earlier - jeesus h christ ...
With regards to the rest you have no idea what you're talking about. Obviously serious criminals and people involved in terrorist activities don't use vehicles on roads. They just magically appear wherever they want. I bet MI5 / Special Branch / SOCA just totally ignore the national ANPR system. It couldn't possibly be useful for them. Why would they want to track certain vehicles?
BOF said:
BOF.
PS - "I'll add that plod have pulled my lad a dozen times in the past and looked at the same 'so called questionabl' licence and been happy with it."
I have never heard of anyone being pulled this often...???
Cheshire Police have little else to do other than pull legal Poynton kids on the road whilst the drug dealers sell crack up at the Bulls Head Car Park near the canal - FACT PS - "I'll add that plod have pulled my lad a dozen times in the past and looked at the same 'so called questionabl' licence and been happy with it."
I have never heard of anyone being pulled this often...???
Edited by BOF on Saturday 9th February 17:55
thirteen-o-two said:
Cheshire Police have little else to do other than pull legal Poynton kids on the road whilst the drug dealers sell crack up at the Bulls Head Car Park near the canal - FACT
Assuming the police know about the drug dealers why would they bother stopping legal drivers and ignoring the dealers when there's an easy nick to be had which will count towards their crime reducing targets?Could it be they don't know about the dealers? If they don't well here's your chance as a fine upstanding member of the community to do something and inform the police.
Wins and trebles all round.
Flintstone said:
thirteen-o-two said:
Cheshire Police have little else to do other than pull legal Poynton kids on the road whilst the drug dealers sell crack up at the Bulls Head Car Park near the canal - FACT
Assuming the police know about the drug dealers why would they bother stopping legal drivers and ignoring the dealers when there's an easy nick to be had which will count towards their crime reducing targets?Could it be they don't know about the dealers? If they don't well here's your chance as a fine upstanding member of the community to do something and inform the police.
Wins and trebles all round.
No action taken - if you dont believe what I say I will gladly go and buy you 'e' tablets, coke or heroin during the week
FishFace said:
thirteen-o-two said:
No.
Between the DVLA and the Police the Vectra sits in a compound at our expense -WE WERE/ ARE NOT IN THE WRONG. All attempts to get the car back are dealt with the usual stone wall of 'ah, that's nowt to do with us' If PC Lowe knew what a driving licence looked like in the first place and exercised some common sense (tough given the candidate) we would be arguing for the car back.
APNR cuts down on terrorism does it...
Yeah sure - I saw Osama and his mates in a 1993 Fiesta with moody plates earlier - jeesus h christ ...
No one said the situation was right. Between the DVLA and the Police the Vectra sits in a compound at our expense -WE WERE/ ARE NOT IN THE WRONG. All attempts to get the car back are dealt with the usual stone wall of 'ah, that's nowt to do with us' If PC Lowe knew what a driving licence looked like in the first place and exercised some common sense (tough given the candidate) we would be arguing for the car back.
APNR cuts down on terrorism does it...
Yeah sure - I saw Osama and his mates in a 1993 Fiesta with moody plates earlier - jeesus h christ ...
With regards to the rest you have no idea what you're talking about. Obviously serious criminals and people involved in terrorist activities don't use vehicles on roads. They just magically appear wherever they want. I bet MI5 / Special Branch / SOCA just totally ignore the national ANPR system. It couldn't possibly be useful for them. Why would they want to track certain vehicles?
If I was a terrorist I would get someone to rent a hire car - not a £50 sh*tter that I was likely to get pulled in. But I suppose if I was using a coppers brain - I'd struggle to think that far...
You have already taken my post out of the vein that it was posted in. Yesterday ANPR didnt catch ANY terrorists (like over the past three years I imagine) it just fooked up our weekend.
Now go and ctach up on the last three episodes of the Bill that you have banked up....
thirteen-o-two said:
Yesterday ANPR didnt catch ANY terrorists (like over the past three years I imagine) it just fooked up our weekend.
How do you know that? I am guessing you are a copper (or someone who was refused entry to the force) or just have an unhealthy interest in their day to day crap.thirteen-o-two said:
Cheshire Police have little else to do other than pull legal Poynton kids on the road whilst the drug dealers sell crack up at the Bulls Head Car Park near the canal - FACT
You've made a very interesting statement there.You are firstly saying that Cheshire Police do nothing other than pull legal Poynton kids on the road. Can you back this statement up with actual facts and documentary evidence?
I find it fascinating how the complete forces BiB are all hanging around Poynton pulling kids. I would guess the rest of the County are livid that they have no police presence as everyone and everything is centred around Poynton.
I would suggest and advise that you get your facts right before claiming them as such.
And secondly, it is a DVLA problem that caused this situation, not the police. So why rant specifically about them? And why was the error not picked up sooner?
I'd suggest a change of this threads title to correctly relfect the situation.
K
thirteen-o-two said:
FishFace said:
thirteen-o-two said:
No.
Between the DVLA and the Police the Vectra sits in a compound at our expense -WE WERE/ ARE NOT IN THE WRONG. All attempts to get the car back are dealt with the usual stone wall of 'ah, that's nowt to do with us' If PC Lowe knew what a driving licence looked like in the first place and exercised some common sense (tough given the candidate) we would be arguing for the car back.
APNR cuts down on terrorism does it...
Yeah sure - I saw Osama and his mates in a 1993 Fiesta with moody plates earlier - jeesus h christ ...
No one said the situation was right. Between the DVLA and the Police the Vectra sits in a compound at our expense -WE WERE/ ARE NOT IN THE WRONG. All attempts to get the car back are dealt with the usual stone wall of 'ah, that's nowt to do with us' If PC Lowe knew what a driving licence looked like in the first place and exercised some common sense (tough given the candidate) we would be arguing for the car back.
APNR cuts down on terrorism does it...
Yeah sure - I saw Osama and his mates in a 1993 Fiesta with moody plates earlier - jeesus h christ ...
With regards to the rest you have no idea what you're talking about. Obviously serious criminals and people involved in terrorist activities don't use vehicles on roads. They just magically appear wherever they want. I bet MI5 / Special Branch / SOCA just totally ignore the national ANPR system. It couldn't possibly be useful for them. Why would they want to track certain vehicles?
If I was a terrorist I would get someone to rent a hire car - not a £50 sh*tter that I was likely to get pulled in. But I suppose if I was using a coppers brain - I'd struggle to think that far...
You have already taken my post out of the vein that it was posted in. Yesterday ANPR didnt catch ANY terrorists (like over the past three years I imagine) it just fooked up our weekend.
Now go and ctach up on the last three episodes of the Bill that you have banked up....
I have said the system isn't perfect and all mistakes should be acted upon to try and make sure they don't happen again. Then again if they contacted the DVLA by other means it'd be the same result. I've not taken any posting out of 'vain'. I've tried to say why it's such an important useful system much bigger than most people think.
I'll lend my episode of the 'The Bill' to you, as even they are better than pure ignorance and a lack of willing to appreciate the bigger picture of the technology.
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