Temporary Speed Limit Regulations

[Godfrey H]

Can any PH tell me does the signing of temporary speed limits have to conform to the same regulations as permanent speed limits? We have roadworks near where I live and there is a stretch of 0.3 miles with no speed limit repeater signs for a 40 mph temporary limit. Given that over the same distance a permanent speed limit would have to have repeater signs. I just think that the speed limit signing for these road works is sloppy.

[Mr Peevly]

to be enforceable the signing has to be to regulations (red circles).It also has to have a traffic order to allow the limit to be changed. To be 'advisory' they do not and are black circles on yellow backgrounds.

[BOBBY26]

trying to find out who is responsible for the signs is a nightmare,they dont want to own up as they know what is going on,they want to catch as many speedsters as possible, not stop them as that would raise no cash!!!!!

[Mr Peevly]

Ultimately its the highways agency that is responsible if its a trunk road, the local authority (county / city council) highways department if it's a lesser road.

Tell me the road and I'll try to find who to contact.

[Godfrey H]

I've been in contact, but I've been dealing with a numpty. I would like to be sure of my facts before I take further steps.

[Flat in Fifth]

Hey up Godfrey, wasn't our reply in the Backroom good enough then?

Only kidding dude.

[Godfrey H]

Shssh! don't mention ..... the other place. Nah, I've been dealing with a numpty I'd just wondered if anyone over here can give me chapter and verse.

[toad_oftoadhall]

Godfrey H said:

Shssh! don't mention ..... the other place.

Was expecting quite a few defectors to here.

Much more relaxed, but a few characters missing!

[dimmadan]

temporary or otherwise the regulations are the same...the precise details Im sure can be found on the www. somewhere

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If you look here, this PDF shows the rules RE roadworks signs.
www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_roads/documents/downloadable/dft_roads_505146.pdf

Bout 3/4 way down is the required signage to be shown. Basically if its a red circle with a speed indicated then its mandatory, if no red circle then its advisory.

Gareth

[Godfrey H]

I wasn't asking about the design of the signs Gareth I was asking about whether repeater signs were required. Anway it seems that they are, and the authorities have now put them up on the stretch I was complaining about. I wonder if any drivers have received FPN's over this illegally signed stretch. I can feel a letter to the local paper coming on to cause maximum embarrassment. I love playing the numpty authorities at their own game!

[sleepy]

Law has been specifically weakened in this area and there are NO required minimum spacings - just 'recommended' spacings:

The 1994 Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions simplified the requirements for the placement of terminal and repeater signs used to indicate a speed limit, and introduced some new prescribed sizes. The intention was to give greater flexibility in the placement of signs. This would overcome the situation where signs placed marginally too far apart have had the effect of making the limit unenforceable. The 1994 Regulations thus specify simply that signs should be placed at regular intervals.

Table of distances on this page:
www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_roads/documents/page/dft_roads_504746.hcsp

[hertsbiker]

Flat in Fifth said:

Hey up Godfrey, wasn't our reply in the Backroom good enough then? Only kidding dude.

ha ha ha! I gave up reading that page ages ago. Too many "go slow" numpties posting every 5 minutes.

[Godfrey H]

Sleepy the point I was making was that there were NO repeater signs at all. Typical numpty government changing the law to confuse the motorist so they can make more scamera revenue. M25 protest, count me in. Have to do it soon though because I've heard that one of the Dartford crossing tunnels is to be closed completely for repairs, turning the M25 into permanent car park.